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Post by Cona Chris on Oct 15, 2007 14:21:14 GMT -5
Here are the results of the latest title match:
Champion: "Vengeance is Mine" General Grievous (SW2/24) x1 Ghost Rider (GR1/4) x2 Grievous Bodyguards (SW1/13) x2 Ki-Adi-Mundi (SW1/18) x1 Obi-Wan Kenobi (SW2/38) x1 Western Ghost Rider (GR1/3) x2 Yoda (SW1/30) x1
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Challenger: "Deceptiteeth" Battle Ravage (TF1/6) x4 Decepticlone (TF1/3) x1 Decepticlone (P1/1) x2 Grand Moff Tarkin (SW4/16) x1 Megatron (TF1/17) x1 Sabertooth (M1/22) x2
Backups: Megatron (TF1/16) x1 Megatron (TF2/20) x1
The champions went first. The match started off badly for the challengers, as one of the WGRs nailed Tarkin on the first shot of the game, knocking him over, and of course he was black. The challengers pinned down and got ready for the rush of Vengeance's strikers. The strategy was to use the Battle Ravages to take out the Vengeance strikers since they could recover - they also were going and try to take out the GBGs since that would mean Grievous' Special and OBK's special wouldn't work.
OBK flung a GBG into the challenger's lines but no one fell and it wasn't white. They moved in and went after Megatron early, thereby getting rid of the Leaders so that Sabertooth couldn't recover. it worked beautifully as Megatron wasn't white, so the back-ups had to watch the entire game from the sidelines. Grievous took on the hapless white Decepticlones next. GR was particularly impressive, able to get multiple kills (I'm getting good at aiming him). Battle Ravages did their job well, getting Venganced a time or two in the process. The turning point in the game came early on, when the grey Decepticlone was all by his lonesome in the corner and he had a good angle on the other GBG that was hiding across the board behind a WGR. He aimed carefully and got the kill, this enabled the Deceptiteeth to go after Grievous and OBK without fear of their specials activating. A Sabertooth took out Grievous who flew and knocked over Yoda as well... despite the Vengeance, a two-for-one was a win in that case.
Late in the game it was KAM, one GR, and one WGR against 3 Battle Ravages and that little grey Decepitclone. KAM knocked over a BR, and GR took care of the Decepticlone and none of the BRs were within striking distance on their turn - except however that both the BR and Clone were white, so a BR got to come back into play and KAM was within 15 tix away, so the free move/attack got the BR close to KAM, and then on the real turn, the BR went for the kill and flung KAM across the board and into the WGR... the WGR wobbled and fell over! That was a big break for the Deceptiteeth, as they had now 3 BRs against one GR. It was a game of chicken for a couple turns until the BRs got GR trapped in a corner. GR came out and knocked one BR into another, but there was no way he could get all 3 since the BRs were in a triangle formation about 8 tix apart. The other BR came over to knock over the GR for the win and the title.
The "Decepitteeth" had 4 specials activate (expected 3.46) and could use 3 (Sabertooth lacked a Leader). "Vengeance is Mine" had 5 specials (expected 5.08) but was only able to use 1 thanks to taking out the GBGs early and there not being any Sabertooths left for the WGRs to take out (both WGRs were white). The last GR standing got the MVP of the match based on my scoring system in TixTool, but the grey Decepticlone was the true difference maker in this one.
The "Deceptiteeth" are very well rounded and I think will have a longer run than "Vengeance is Mine" (who had no successful title defenses). Up next for the Deceptiteeth - SuperflyTNT's team from a few posts above (JKs, Rebels, OBK, etc.).
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Post by Turkish Van Cat on Oct 15, 2007 19:36:53 GMT -5
Try this team; I don't have any of these figures, so it's all theoretical on my part. The idea is to get as many attacks as possible in a turn. It's launcher-centric, so I'm not sure whether it could stand up to a swarm of strikers, but it sure as heck can try.
"Shooterama" Destroyer Droid (SW2/19) x2 Princess Leia (SW3/14) x1 Luke as Stormtrooper (SW3/28) x1 Captain Antilles (SW3/33) x1 General Grievous (SW1/28) x1 R2-D2 (SW2/21) x1 Rodimus (TF1/5) x1
Backups: Luke Skywalker (SW3/21) Destroyer Droid (SW2/19)
The idea behind this team is to shoot a lot, and shoot well, so if you're not a good shot, then forget it. If the game were going absolutely optimal, it's possible to get as many as 8 shots in a single turn (with a lot of luck). And when GG goes down, provided you have enough DDs, you get 4 free shots. I think it would do decent against My Love is Vengeance too, since the specials would only work against Leia and Luke. I'm not sure how hard it is to take down S2 striker Grievous with a bullet though, so I'm not sure.
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Post by greyelephant on Oct 16, 2007 6:47:28 GMT -5
"Shooterama" Destroyer Droid (SW2/19) x2 Princess Leia (SW3/14) x1 Luke as Stormtrooper (SW3/28) x1 Captain Antilles (SW3/33) x1 General Grievous (SW1/28) x1 R2-D2 (SW2/21) x1 Rodimus (TF1/5) x1
Backups: Luke Skywalker (SW3/21) Destroyer Droid (SW2/19) |
Swap out R2-D2 and GG for S2 GG with Lightsabers and another Rodimus. Then you could add another DD to your back ups. Depending on if you had Tourney Luke. DD (80) Tourney Luke (20).
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Post by YodaBreaker on Oct 16, 2007 9:04:45 GMT -5
Swap out R2-D2 and GG for S2 GG with Lightsabers and another Rodimus. Then you could add another DD to your back ups. Depending on if you had Tourney Luke. DD (80) Tourney Luke (20). I think that's missing the fundamental point of the team: getting as many launcher attacks as possible. The R2-D2 would allow for up to two additional attacks per turn, and launcher Grievous's defeat could grant a double Attackback. I also find it humorous how people seem to forget that Ghost Rider's special on My Love Is Vengeance would still go off half the time. Admittedly, the effectiveness of the squad would be substantially diminished when playing squads without Warriors or Leaders, but one could still play strategically to challenge an opponent either to take down GR with a really good figure or to let lesser figures get struck down in quick succession. Nevertheless, it was designed to be more of a "spoiler squad" that would deal most effectively with squads composed of higher-point Warriors and Leaders whose special powers you don't want to have to deal with. Thus, the degree to which your own squad doesn't fit those expectations would decrease the effectiveness of My Love Is Vengeance against it Chris, I'm also curious as to why you chose to fling one of Starter 2 Kenobi's only two support Troopers and one of striker Grievous's only two support Droid Army figures. It seems like that played right into the Deceptiteeth squad's hands, per your first paragraph's analysis. I'm starting to think that you want the Vengeance-based squads to lose
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Post by greyelephant on Oct 16, 2007 9:31:46 GMT -5
I think that's missing the fundamental point of the team: getting as many launcher attacks as possible. The R2-D2 would allow for up to two additional attacks per turn, and launcher Grievous's defeat could grant a double Attackback.
I also find it humorous how people seem to forget that Ghost Rider's special on My Love Is Vengeance would still go off half the time. Admittedly, the effectiveness of the squad would be substantially diminished when playing squads without Warriors or Leaders, but one could still play strategically to challenge an opponent either to take down GR with a really good figure or to let lesser figures get struck down in quick succession. Nevertheless, it was designed to be more of a "spoiler squad" that would deal most effectively with squads composed of higher-point Warriors and Leaders whose special powers you don't want to have to deal with. Thus, the degree to which your own squad doesn't fit those expectations would decrease the effectiveness of My Love Is Vengeance against it |
The only reason I posted what I did about this squad is because it intimidated me. I love warriors on my team. Let's face it, most of the best figures are warriors. I just wanted to prove to myself more so than anything else that I could win against a team composed of such characters. That's why I posted the "specialist" team. My main reason is because at this time the only Vengeance that can work against them is the ones where the figure that attacked is removed or possibly picked with out discrepancy of class. Agreed. I forgot he wanted to keep a shooting team. I am so prone to strikers that they are the first characters I look for when making my teams anymore. I like to keep it around 65-70% striker heavy.
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Post by Cona Chris on Oct 20, 2007 17:13:05 GMT -5
Chris, I'm also curious as to why you chose to fling one of Starter 2 Kenobi's only two support Troopers and one of striker Grievous's only two support Droid Army figures. It seems like that played right into the Deceptiteeth squad's hands, per your first paragraph's analysis. I'm starting to think that you want the Vengeance-based squads to lose Sorry - missed this so just addressing this now... in retrospect I guess it didn't turn out well, but the other GBG was tucked away in the corner with WGR in front shielding him... it really was an amazing shot (if I do say so myself) to get him. In that situation, I guess it would have made more sense to fling Kenobi instead... sometimes when I play I have my two-year old running around me and at times I am not totally thinking clearly, so I'll blame it on her I almost never fling my own figures into the enemy lines either, I was doing it because it seemed like something Superfly would do (he made a point about trying other strategies in the "title matches". The fact that I put down $50 on the Deceptiteeth to win had nothing to do with it!
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Post by superflytnt on Oct 20, 2007 23:56:19 GMT -5
Uh, but at TOTS you played 5 venoms?!?!? Strikers?!!??!
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Post by Cona Chris on Oct 21, 2007 7:19:18 GMT -5
Wasn't that just for the Shooters-Only Tournament?
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Post by greyelephant on Oct 21, 2007 8:02:09 GMT -5
Posted by Cona Chris on Today at 8:19am
Quote: Uh, but at TOTS you played 5 venoms?!?!? Strikers?!!??! Wasn't that just for the Shooters-Only Tournament? |
Ha! Superfly, you goober. That WAS the shooters only.
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Post by Cona Chris on Oct 22, 2007 10:00:15 GMT -5
Here are the results from the latest Title Fight.
Champion: "Deceptiteeth" Battle Ravage (TF1/6) x4 Decepticlone (TF1/3) x1 Decepticlone (P1/1) x2 Grand Moff Tarkin (SW4/16) x1 Megatron (TF1/17) x1 Sabertooth (M1/22) x2
Backups: Megatron (TF1/16) x1 Megatron (TF2/20) x1
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Challenger: "TNT is Dynamite" Jawa (SW3/10) x1 Jedi Knight (SW2/1) x4 Ki-Adi-Mundi (SWG1/3) x1 Luke Skywalker (T/7) x1 Luke Skywalker (SW3/21) x1 Obi-Wan Kenobi (SW2/38) x1 Rebel Trooper (SW3/4) x3 Tion Medon (SW2/22) x1
Backups: Chewbacca (SW4/19) x1 Han Solo (SW3/22) x1 Jawa (SW3/10) x4
I had to change the team from Superfly's post because I do not have 5 rebel troopers, and I figured putting in the Tournament Luke was an upgrade to the team.
So, "Deceptiteeth's" first title defense started off on a good note because they got to go first, but they missed on both shots. "Deceptiteeth" formed three small groups of figures and stayed back waiting for "TNT is Dynamite" to advance since they were a strong striker heavy team. On "TNT is Dynamite's" first turn they moved OBK, KAM, and a few JKs into position so that they would be a turn away, and then OBK flung KAM into a group of 2 Battle Ravages and 2 Sabertooths. KAM hilariously landed upside down in a Sabertooth's arm (it looked like Sabertooth was giving KAM a piledriver). KAM was white however, so the JKs and OBK moved in for there 3 moves and attacks. OBK caused a lot of damage, knocking over 3 figs, but the two Sabertooths were white. JKs took at Battle Ravages but one brought the other one back, so after all that, "Deceptiteeth" were down just 2 Battle Ravages. In retrospect, it would be better for the "Deceptiteeth" to not be within range of two turns right away to protect against the suicidal KAM.
"TNT is Dynamite" had all their strikers advance in attempt to swarm the champions, leaving the Jawas and Rebel Troopers back at the starting line. "Deceptiteeth" targeted JKs since those couldn't recover, and "TNT is Dynamite' went after the Battle Ravages and Decepticlones with an occasional strike against a Sabertooth if he was in a good position.
The Megatron Jet went down but was white, bringing into play the much heralded G1 Megatron. After a few turns of trying to lob shots at the troopers, "Deceptiteeth" just went after the Lukes and OBK out of necessity. When they did come up white, they were flung far enough across the board to not be in striking range.
The Sabertooths were not staying down... they were white every time they fell, so "TNT is Dynamite" went after the Leaders when the Champions got down to Megatron, Tarkin, and the 2 Saberteeth. Of course, Tarkin was white and he vengeanced Tion Medon. Megatron was able to keep strikers away with his powerful shot, and took out a Luke who ended up being black, while the Sabertooths got lucky and took out the OBK and other Luke (both black).
In the end, it was the 3 Rebel Troopers back on their starting line against G1 Megatron and the 2 Saberteeth. Megatron was on the opposite corner of the playing field. The Saberteeth advanced and got close to range and one flung the other Sabertooth into the Troopers, knocking over one of them. The Rebels hung tough and shot down both Saberteeth, only to watch them both get back up, and then fell to their claw swipes to end the game.
The stars of the contest were the two Sabertooths, who both tied for the MVP honors. One had 5 kills and recovered 4 times, the other had 7 kills and recovered 5 times. OBK was the star for the Challengers with 7 kills. The Champions had 12 (!) special powers activate and used them all (expected 8.08) and the Challengers had 5 (expected 6.15) and used them all as well. Clearly luck was with the champs.
Up next for the "Deceptiteeth", is Traxx's suggested team of Bounty Hunters and figures from the GR Starter Set.
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Post by grievous on Oct 24, 2007 7:30:28 GMT -5
I just remembered about this thread and I must say...
Go Deceptiteeth! I never actually thought they'd make it quite this far (and having twelve special power activations is insane). Can't wait to see the next update! Deceptiteeth all the way!
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Post by Cona Chris on Oct 24, 2007 8:47:37 GMT -5
Here are the results from the latest Title Fight.
Champion: "Deceptiteeth" Battle Ravage (TF1/6) x4 Decepticlone (TF1/3) x1 Decepticlone (P1/1) x2 Grand Moff Tarkin (SW4/16) x1 Megatron (TF1/17) x1 Sabertooth (M1/22) x2
Backups: Megatron (TF1/16) x1 Megatron (TF2/20) x1
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Challenger: "The Devil Made Me Do It" Blackheart (GR1/5) x1 Boba Fett (SW4/21) x1 Bossk (SW2/13) x1 Ghost Rider (GR1/4) x1 Greedo (SW4/22) x3 Jango Fett (SW2/15) x1 Western Ghost Rider (GR1/3) x1
Backups: Boba Fett (SW2/30) x1 Boba Fett (SW3/18) x1 Boba Fett (SW4/10) x1
The Challengers went first and set up in a defensive formation on or near their starting line since they only had two strikers. The first few turns saw the Champions sending 2 Battle Ravages and the Saberteeth across the board in a pack while hanging the rest back and taking pot shots. One of those pot shots was a Decepticlone tagging a Greedo that was hiding behind a Fett and Bossk (not sure how this happened still). The same Decepticlone then got Bossk on the next turn! However, Bossk ended up being white so the Decepticlone was now property of "The Devil Made Me Do It". He was killed immediately on the next turn by the Champs.
The Saberteeth were not the stars this time around, both went down before they could get to attack and neither were white. Also helping the Challengers was the fact that two Greedo went down early and were both white when defeated and both extra attacks resulted in kills for "TDMMDI".
The turning point in the match came in the middle rounds, when a small pack of Bounty Hunters and GR broke off from the main group and got close to the left wing group of Champions that were all packed together of 2 Decepticlones, Tarkin, and a BR. GR went for the strike, but was a half-tix short and got nothing but air on his swing (had to try anyway). He was then killed on the next turn and was black. One tix closer and it would have been 2 or 3 or 4 kills for the Challengers depending on how well GR connected.
With the Sabertooths out of the way, "TDMMDI" focused on getting rid of the BRs so as to leave it shooters versus shooters (BTW - Blackheart was impressive knocking over three figures and was white once before ultimately going down). The BRs were causing some serious damage, as each knocked over at least one of the Challengers.
The Challengers benefited from some good fortune, as every figure was white at least once except for WGR, GR, and Jango (6 out of 9).
G1 Megatron got to come into play from the backups and in the end it was him, 2 Decepticlones, and Tarkin against Boba Fett, Greedo, and a WGR. The Challengers were spread out made a third of the way from the starting line, while the Deceptiteeth had the two Decepticlones together on the left side and Megatron on the right side. Thanks to some long range sharp shooting, Megatron was able to defeat the last remaining WGR and Greedo, leaving it a three-on-one situation.
Boba Fett would connect on his shots, but not hard enough to knock anyone over, and no one could get Fett over (he's the hardest figure for me to knock over when he's bent over). Fett eventually got a Decepticlone down, putting the pressure on the Champions because Fett would have certainly taken out the other clone next turn since he had nobody to stand next to him that was in range. However, on his third try, Megatron got Fett to wobble just enough to topple over for the win.
Megatron with his three kills was the MVP of the match. The Champions got only 3 specials to activate (Megatron vehicle, and two Battle Ravages) and were only able to use 2 of them - 4.15 were expected. The Challengers got 7 (expected 5.04) and were able to use 6 (Fett was white when he was the last figure and thus could not recover).
This match was a lot closer than it should have been thanks to the special powers. I was thinking Deceptiteeth would crush this team, but it just goes to show that you never know...
Up next for the Deceptiteeth: Their 3rd Title Defense against Turkish Van Cat's "Shooterama".
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Post by Cona Chris on Oct 29, 2007 9:03:40 GMT -5
Here are the results from the latest Title Fight (Deceptiteeth's 3rd Title Defense):
Champion: "Deceptiteeth" Battle Ravage (TF1/6) x4 Decepticlone (TF1/3) x1 Decepticlone (P1/1) x2 Grand Moff Tarkin (SW4/16) x1 Megatron (TF1/17) x1 Sabertooth (M1/22) x2
Backups: Megatron (TF1/16) x1 Megatron (TF2/20) x1
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Challenger: "Shooterama" Captain Antilles (SW3/33) x1 Destroyer Droid (SW2/19) x2 General Grievous (SW1/28) x1 Luke as Stormtrooper (SW3/28) x1 Princess Leia (SW3/14) x1 R2-D2 (SW2/21) x1 Rodimus (TF1/5) x1
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Destroyer Droid (SW2/19) x1 Luke Skywalker (SW3/31) x1 Luke Skywalker (T/7) x1
The Challengers went first, and R2 spun a 3, giving them 4 attacks (including the Luke as Stormtrooper's Effect). Unfortunately, the Champions' figures were all tightly packed and only one figure went down in the early going (Tarkin who was black). The Champions didn't get anyone on turn one, and sent a tightly packed group of 2 Saberteeth and 3 BRs in the middle of the board (with the intention of swarming the Challengers). However, "Shooterama" had other ideas. R2 spun a 3 again! Grievous fired into the mob breaking them up a bit (but no kills) and DDs and Luke as ST got several kills, but one Sabertooth came recovered and he rolled a bit after being killed and got to stand back up within striking distance of a DD who was shielding Leia, R2, and Antilles. It was the turning point of the game unfortunately because Sabertooth was able to decimate all 4 figures with one swipe (Antilles came up white, but there were no DDs gone before the turn). General Grievous went down on the 2nd attack and was black, and that pretty much was that for the Challengers who had only a DD, Rodimus, and Luke as ST left. The remaining three Challengers went down in 2 more turns, the DD was white but it was useless, and that was it.
I thought the Challengers had them on the ropes but the lucky roll of Sabertooth as he fell allowed him to stand up within range of many figures close together. The MVP was a Sabertooth and his 4 kills. The champs got 1 special power activated (expected 2.77) and the Challengers got 4 (expected 3.88) but could use only 1 due to who was defeated at what time. "Shooterama" deserved better, but sometimes luck can be in other forms besides how often someone is white.
Up Next: I've been getting some S1 Chewbaccas off of eBay - after they arrive I'll have a team of mostly or all Wookiees (5 of which will be S1 Chewbacca and his double attackback).
If you have a team to suggest let me know... I'm out of suggestions from the board so I may go back and give rematches or come up with other teams myself.
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Post by YodaBreaker on Oct 29, 2007 12:52:41 GMT -5
Hee...I'm really enjoying these matches and their descriptions - nicely done! It was the turning point of the game unfortunately because Sabertooth was able to decimate all 4 figures with one swipe (Antilles came up white, but there were no DDs gone before the turn). Why would a Trooper have had to have been knocked down before the turn had started? Because the DD and Antilles were knocked down in the same attack, and because DD was black and Antilles was white, the defender should have had the option of resolving the special powers such that the DD was considered defeated first with Antilles' special power resolving last to bring it right back. Or were you playing that the attacker resolves special power order?
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Post by superflytnt on Oct 29, 2007 14:17:55 GMT -5
ROFL. TNT is Dy-No-Mite! That's classic.
I think if we played this one out it may have ended differently. I generally wait with KAM back for a 4th-5th round appearance.
So, here's the next TNT's Tournament Team of Terror and Treachary (aka Ruth's Rebel Rabble Rousers of Reincarnation and Repeated Rounds Relayed): 1x Leia "I'ma gonna Lay Ya" Organa S2 (20 pointer) 1x Luke "The Freebie" as ST 2x Rebel "Rouser" Trooper 2x Grievous' "Do ya want my" BodyGuard S2 2x Luke "The Puke" S3 with sword 1x Tourney Luke "The Duke of Pukes" Skywalker, S3 Swordsman sculpt 1x Destro-yer "Cuz She's Easy" Droid (40) Backup: Luke "The Puke" Skywalker S3 Swordsman
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