Why no terrorcons? Vector Prime?

[haldu2]

I know my knowledge of tf's is a little low but it seems to me that terrorcons should be fraction unto themselves. Anybody know why they aren't?

On another note shouldn't vector be a striker? I thought he had a big sword.

[darkknightmare]

yes, yes he does but that same could be said for scourge, landmine, ransack, and crumplezone. all 4 of those could've have been shooters. who knows we may see a vector prime striker in the future

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haldu2 said:

I know my knowledge of tf's is a little low but it seems to me that terrorcons should be fraction unto themselves. Anybody know why they aren't?

On another note shouldn't vector be a striker? I thought he had a big sword.

In TF Energon, the Terrorcons are just the minions of the Decepticons. They wear the Decepticon insignia and they work for them, so I consider them Decepticons. In the same series, the Omnicons do the same for the Autobots.

I think the real faction problem are the Mini-Cons. Up until now they were always a separate group that helped either side.

And I like Vector Prime alot, but he probably would have been better off as a striker. He's off balance as it is because of that leaning position he's in and that big missile just makes it worse. I really only use him if I'm fighting Insecticons, and everytime I have, his power (Vengeance) has worked for me and helped to turn the tide. A good figure, but it would be better if he was standing up straight.

Let's keep our fingers crossed for a TF-S2 Vector Prime with a sword!

[thecasualoblivion]

Transformers went for the simple answer of only having two factions, Autobots and Decepticons.

There were other options though, two of which were mentioned here. Giving the Terrorcons, led by Scorponok and Alpha Q their own faction, and making the Mini-Cons a faction. There are some other things they could have done to complicate Transformers:

For a Cybertron based game, make factions out of the different planets in the story, since the characters didn't begin the story aligned to the Autobots or Decepticons. You could have Autobots, Decepticons, Giant Planet, Speed Planet, Beast Planet, Earth, and Planet X just from Transformers: Cybertron. You could even have multiples of certain figures, with different alignments.

In addition, you could have a faction out of Unicron's minions, including Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge and the sweeps from TF: The Movie, Sideways and Thrust from Armada, Scorponok, Alpha Q and Terrorcons from Energon, and Sideways and Soundwave from Cybertron.

Also there is the obvious addition of the Maximal and Predacon factions from Beast Wars.

[safarisuz]

thecasualoblivion said:

In addition, you could have a faction out of Unicron's minions, including Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge and the sweeps from TF: The Movie, Sideways and Thrust from Armada, Scorponok, Alpha Q and Terrorcons from Energon, and Sideways and Soundwave from Cybertron.

Also there is the obvious addition of the Maximal and Predacon factions from Beast Wars.

|sf>I believe that Hasbro went for the obvious, because this is the first wave and most fans understand Autobots vs. Decepticons and Maximals vs. Predacons. This doesn't mean that Hasbro can't come back at a later wave with a figure that contains a different factional symbol (ie. the upcoming Marvel line has multiple Spider-Man figures with different faction symbols).

When/if Hasbro decides to include Beast Wars, I'm fairly certain that they will be Maximals vs. Predacons, instead of Autobots vs. Decepticons.

As far as the group mentioned from the movie, I suspect that they would remain Decepticons. They were "stuck" into following Unicron. Armada's Sideways and Thrust (along with the recent Unicron minicon set) would probably be the only ones saddled with Unicron's emblem. I doubt that those latter five would be released unless Unicron became a Mega.

[predacus]

Well, toywise, there are only 5 factions: Autobot, Decepticon, Mini-con, Maximal, and Predacon (and the Mini-cons tend to be alligned with the Autobots or Decepticons, as opposed to a faction with it's own interests and goals), and as was stated, Hasbro is probably trying to keep it a bit simple to start with. (Plus, Star Wars has had three previous waves to get enough figures to have complete sets of multiple factions and it probably helps level the field a bit for Transformers for now.) Terrorcons and Omnicons are a subfaction of Decepticons and Autobots respectively. I do hope they release Beast Wars Attacktix eventually, as that would introduce more factions (plus many would make awesome figures).

Most of Unicron's servants were originally alligned with the Decepticons. Armada and Cybertron Sideways, while a faction switcher, tended to work with the Decepticons more than the Autobots as well. Chances are, they would all be released as Decepticons, though I'd be interested in a gimmick for Sideways that involved faction switching (though I have no ideas how that would work in the game).

As for Vector Prime, there are many in the Transformer fandom (like myself) who wonder why Hasbro didn't make Vector Prime a striker. Transformers needs a more traditional striker and Vector Prime would have fit the bill nicely.

[thecasualoblivion]

You have some good points, but I'm just speculating on what Hasbro COULD do to make Transformers Attacktix more resemble the diversity of the Star Wars factions.

[predacus]

Give them a few more waves at least. I do like it how I can assemble two effective teams (Autobot and Decepticon) from one wave, in which all the figures can benefit from each other becasue they're the same faction. If Hasbro plays their cards right, we'll at least get Maximals and Predacons (and I'd prefer that they do that before we start getting into subfactions).

[safarisuz]

predacus said:

Most of Unicron's servants were originally alligned with the Decepticons. Armada and Cybertron Sideways, while a faction switcher, tended to work with the Decepticons more than the Autobots as well. Chances are, they would all be released as Decepticons, though I'd be interested in a gimmick for Sideways that involved faction switching (though I have no ideas how that would work in the game).

|sf>In my earlier post, I forgot to include the evil version of Optimus Prime (Nemesis Prime). It depends on the source you go by. In the More than Meets the Eye comic for Armada, Sideways is only Unicron's alliance, Nemesis Prime's alliance is "unknown," while Thrust counts as a Decepticon.

I suppose it all depends on whether Hasbro plans to make any other Unicron-factioned TFs. As I pointed out, Hasbro has already shown with Marvel Spider-Man that they won't mind releasing different versions with different factions.

As far as Sideways "faction-switching" goes, that would be fairly easy: make it a transformation. Give him two figures: one would have the Autobot minicon as his head with an Autobot factional symbol and the same deal for the Decepticons. Give him the power to Transform into any other faction within back-ups. That would cover both of the above and any Unicron faction figure they might choose to make in a later wave.

[predacus]

safarisuz said:

As far as Sideways "faction-switching" goes, that would be fairly easy: make it a transformation. Give him two figures: one would have the Autobot minicon as his head with an Autobot factional symbol and the same deal for the Decepticons. Give him the power to Transform into any other faction within back-ups. That would cover both of the above and any Unicron faction figure they might choose to make in a later wave.

Not a bad idea, kill him as an Autobot, you'll then have to kill him as a Decepticon too.

[Penguin]

I think Vector Prime is a fairly good attacktix, but I don't know what they were thinking when they made his effect. Hes not even from Energon(Where the Insecticons were from)

[predacus]

Guess someone had to be able to counter both Scorponok's and Insecticon's ability to bring in more Insecticons when they're defeated. Though I admit, Vector Prime is an odd choice to be that counter.

[YodaBreaker]

predacus said:

Well, toywise, there are only 5 factions: Autobot, Decepticon, Mini-con, Maximal, and Predacon (and the Mini-cons tend to be alligned with the Autobots or Decepticons, as opposed to a faction with it's own interests and goals), and as was stated, Hasbro is probably trying to keep it a bit simple to start with. (Plus, Star Wars has had three previous waves to get enough figures to have complete sets of multiple factions and it probably helps level the field a bit for Transformers for now.) Terrorcons and Omnicons are a subfaction of Decepticons and Autobots respectively. I do hope they release Beast Wars Attacktix eventually, as that would introduce more factions (plus many would make awesome figures).

It's interesting that you mention the Star Wars classes here. We've debated before about how there many be too many separate classes to field teams comprising a bunch of different types of figures (e.g., should the Wookiees and the Republic really be separate classes?). I admit that I like the way that Transformers have kept to two big classes of figures, which allows for special powers to work on a variety of figures. Just imagine if the Ewoks were classed as Rebels, and Wicket's, Logray's, or Chirpa's powers would work with Rebels, too, instead of being limited to the rather small Ewok class!

[Penguin]

Theres a lot more fractions than the five mentioned. There is also a lot of subgroups within the five mentioned except mini-con.

[YodaBreaker]

penguin255 said:

Theres a lot more fractions than the five mentioned. There is also a lot of subgroups within the five mentioned except mini-con.

Oh, I'm becoming entirely aware of that now However, what I'm trying to express is that I'm glad Transformers Attacktix aren't following (what I believe to be the biggest mistake of the design of) Star Wars Attacktix and creating figures that fall into those subgroups, rather than just sticking with a few big classes so that even old figures can have their special powers benefit the new figures and vice versa. I'm all for the splitting of the Jedi and Sith from the Republic and Separatists (as they exist even in the Rebellion and Empire timeframes), but when are the Wookiees seen as a fighting force apart from the Republic in EpIII?