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Post by thecasualoblivion on Aug 23, 2006 7:42:17 GMT -5
Me and my friend had a big argument last night over the starting position of figures. We both agree that we should start the figures in a line and not in formation, the argument is the following:
1. He believes all figures should start the game facing forward, with the base and torso both facing forward, no tripoding.
2. I believe you can put your figure in any position, backwards, sideways, waist twisted in any direction and with a tripod in place, as long as it is 2 tix away from the table edge.
Most of the discussions I've read on this board deal with whether to start in formation, or to follow the printed rules and start in a line. I've read nothing dealing with this. I can't stand his way, it gives yet another advantage to whoever goes first.
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Post by AWOL on Aug 23, 2006 8:27:13 GMT -5
I don't believe you have to start the game facing forward. In fact, you can even move all of your figures backwards if you want to. The only rule is that you have to be in a line (after you tix in). In what direction or position your figures are in depends on you. Just make sure that you do not move the figure in any way after it moves. Once it moves, it's done moving.
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Post by Yaggleberry Finn on Aug 23, 2006 9:35:18 GMT -5
I agree with AWOL 100% on this one, and for the reason you mentioned, oblivion. In a smaller sized game there is so much advantage to going first, that I feel it's imperative you're allowed to have your figures in tripods and what not. And even in a high point game, I still don't want to see one of my best figures picked off without having even a slight chance of defending it.
The more I'm sitting here thinking about this, there's no way Hasbro will come out with a rule saying figures have to be facing forward. For one, you could nitpick about whether or not a figure is really 100% forward, and it's a rule that would make the game more complicated. The game is all about simplicity, so I don't expect a rule against tripods and the like.
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Aug 23, 2006 11:42:14 GMT -5
The more opinions on this, the better.
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Post by Joe Manzo on Aug 23, 2006 13:59:53 GMT -5
Is there anyone (Radar) who has been to a Hasbro tournament and under the watchful eye of the Hasbro Judges started a figure sideways, backwards or with "tripod?"
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Post by Phoenix on Aug 23, 2006 15:33:12 GMT -5
Well at the tournaments Joe and I've run, it's encouraged to start your figures in a defensive position, for the reasons already outlined. Positioning of figures is key so you don't die if you don't get to go first!!!!
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Post by AWOL on Aug 23, 2006 16:50:38 GMT -5
They can be in a "defensive position" so long as they start in a line at the start area. They cannot tix into the game in formation. But whether they are sideways or backwards or twisted I don't think really matters.
I know the pictures in the instruction booklet always show them facing each other, but I don't ever recall seeing an actual ruling that states that they have to begin facing each other.
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Post by AWOL on Aug 23, 2006 16:54:06 GMT -5
Sorry for the double reply but I forgot to mention one other thing as well. Oblivion, you mention that your friend believes that the torso and the base must face forward. What does he say about those strikers whose torso cannot face forward while the base faces forward (most of my strikers are naturally twisted so that they are not facing forward if you turn the base forward)?
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Aug 23, 2006 17:07:09 GMT -5
Sorry for the double reply but I forgot to mention one other thing as well. Oblivion, you mention that your friend believes that the torso and the base must face forward. What does he say about those strikers whose torso cannot face forward while the base faces forward (most of my strikers are naturally twisted so that they are not facing forward if you turn the base forward)? Probably whatever the natural position is. That rule goes for figures whose waist moves for aiming purposes. |
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Post by Radar on Aug 23, 2006 19:58:34 GMT -5
Actually my first opponent at the tournament had a really creative starting position for his destroyer droid. It was loaded, facing front, but with it's guns pointed backwards and down (Many figures can bi-pod, but the destroyer was tri-poded). I'm glad it was at the edge of the table when I shot it because it was really stable in that position.
Finally, my opinion. Yeah, set them up however you like as long as the bases are completely on the play surface and they are 2 tix away from the edge.
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Post by grizz on Aug 23, 2006 20:40:10 GMT -5
Finally, my opinion. Yeah, set them up however you like as long as the bases are completely on the play surface and they are 2 tix away from the edge. I agree with Radar on this as well and it is also the way we play at my house. |
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Post by superflytnt on Aug 23, 2006 20:47:12 GMT -5
Actually my first opponent at the tournament had a really creative starting position for his destroyer droid. It was loaded, facing front, but with it's guns pointed backwards and down (Many figures can bi-pod, but the destroyer was tri-poded). I'm glad it was at the edge of the table when I shot it because it was really stable in that position. Finally, my opinion. Yeah, set them up however you like as long as the bases are completely on the play surface and they are 2 tix away from the edge. I did that to Yodabreaker when he came over. VERY effective. As far as anyone I've played with, including at my tourney, there is nothing prohibiting you from facing all your guys backwards. |
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Post by haldu2 on Aug 24, 2006 9:41:55 GMT -5
Well I say go for it. But then I'm the kind of guy who allos lightsabers behind the back to. I also turn my guns infront of the guy next to me and put feet going over the edge on other figures bases on the starting line.
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Post by Phoenix on Aug 24, 2006 9:56:09 GMT -5
Actually my first opponent at the tournament had a really creative starting position for his destroyer droid. It was loaded, facing front, but with it's guns pointed backwards and down (Many figures can bi-pod, but the destroyer was tri-poded). I'm glad it was at the edge of the table when I shot it because it was really stable in that position. Finally, my opinion. Yeah, set them up however you like as long as the bases are completely on the play surface and they are 2 tix away from the edge. Since radar is the world champion and played the official tournament in SD, then having your figures positioned in a line anyway you want is allowed! |
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Aug 24, 2006 15:41:14 GMT -5
No one has agreed with my friend yet. I feel a little vindicated.
I think he came to this opinion when we first started playing. We're all less than a month into playing this game. At first, we weren't really good shots, and really couldn't hit figures in the starting position very regularly. Back then, whoever went second seemed to have the advantage, having two turns of moves to get closer shots, as well as having two of the opponent's figures exposed after they attacked(though often we didn't bother to shoot on the first turn), since we haven't been really big on formation defense. We also play mostly with Transformers, who tend to have better stand alone defense than most Star Wars figures, which made long shots even more difficult.
Now though, we can all shoot better. The first game we played after the argument, he won the toss to go first and killed two of my figures on turn 1 with two shots. At least half of the time I can usually get a kill on turn 1, even at figures turned away. Starting with your figures exposed is ludicrous in my opinion.
It also seems from Radar's tale that you can indeed set the up defensively in a Hasbro Tournament.
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