2 questions about specials.

[grizz]

I'm sorry if this was touched on before but I could not find any thing.

#1. If you take out an opponents figure with a striker and it go's flying and takes out one of your own and the window in yours is white do you get to use the special???

#2. This happened today. I took out my nephews wicket and his window was white(can't attack any ewoks on next turn). On my next turn I took out Grand Moff with Kit fisto and moff went flying and took out his other wicket. Is he dead because it was an indirect attack or do you stand him back up?

Is there an official rule for these or just house rules?

[Radar]

To answer your first question, yes. The character was defeated by an attack, regardless of if it was on purpose or not. In fact, some have used this in a pinch. For the second attack in your turn, it might be profitable to attack your own General Grievous, as his ability may win you the game.

Second question? That's a very interesting question. It is (hopefully) clear that the defeated Ewok was not the intended target, but that may not always be the case. Theoretically, if you had a 10 Wicket team and one turned up white, I could shoot at them and argue "I was aiming at my own figures and accidently shot down 3 of your Ewoks with a force blast, it was a perfectly reasonable mistake."

It seems like whoever is the best debater would win in those type of circumstances. It's a shame that the ability does not read "Any figure that defeats an Ewok during opponents next turn is removed from game.". So I would say stand the Ewok back up.

The only problem with the stand back up idea is that you could still "accidently" attack an Ewok to use as a projectile, but that should be more clear what the intent is; as it would almost certainly need to be a striker attacking an Ewok for that to happen.

Really good question.

[AWOL]

I've never encountered this situation before, but it brings up a good loop hole with the special ability. I'd say if a special ability says that you cannot attack an Ewok the next turn, and the next turn an Ewok is defeated (whether intentionally or accidentally), stand the Ewok back up. The game will head into a serious grey area if we have to start identifying what is considered intentional or accidental. Keep it black and white - stand the Ewok back up.

[Joe Manzo]

awol said:

I've never encountered this situation before, but it brings up a good loop hole with the special ability. I'd say if a special ability says that you cannot attack an Ewok the next turn, and the next turn an Ewok is defeated (whether intentionally or accidentally), stand the Ewok back up. The game will head into a serious grey area if we have to start identifying what is considered intentional or accidental. Keep it black and white - stand the Ewok back up.

I would agree with this as well. No Ewoks would be allowed to die in the following turn, IMO. I will check and see what I can get from Hasbro.

[malform]

That whole wicket thing is a very interesting situation. I would tend to think that it would be pretty rare for this to happen. As I would assume that most people would only use an evade figure with a one faction team, to maximize the effect of the evade against the enemy.

At any rate, I would agree that the furry guy should be stood back up. In my thinking, an attack is an attack. Even if he wasnt the intended target, wasnt he still "attacked"?

[grizz]

malform said:

That whole wicket thing is a very interesting situation. I would tend to think that it would be pretty rare for this to happen. As I would assume that most people would only use an evade figure with a one faction team, to maximize the effect of the evade against the enemy.

At any rate, I would agree that the furry guy should be stood back up. In my thinking, an attack is an attack. Even if he wasnt the intended target, wasnt he still "attacked"?

Thank you all... I am of the same opinion. It was clearly by accident and I felt he should stand back up anyways but my nephew strongly felt his wicket was defeated.. Who was I to argue LOL...

Here is one more that happened to us today.
I have one figure left S4 Vader (force push) my nephew has one figure left. He knocks down my vader and his window is white(remove attacking figure) Dose that mean the match is a draw???
What would be the ruling on this???

[Radar]

Tie games is an interesting dilemma....unless you live in Japan, then it is culturally acceptable.

Anyway, The figure you are referring to is actually (SW23-3) DARTH VADER. Darth Vader's ability is "Remove figure that attacked Darth Vader, if you have another figure in play." So that would not bring the game to a tie in itself because you would need another figure in play, (but if you both had an R2 unit on your team in addition to this situation, that could do it). I asked a Hasbro representative about what happens when each player only has an Astromech in play; and the response was that the Astromechs could have a spin off, but that did not seem to be the final word on the matter, more changes may come in rulings with regards to specific situations.


But back to the original question.....This is probably a too legalistic view of the rule, but hear me out. If a character knocks over a clone and an Ewok, when Ewoks may not be attacked, does that then mean that there was no attack and both figures stand back up? Kind of like when you knock a figure over with your sleeve. Just a thought.

[malform]

grizz said:

malform said:

That whole wicket thing is a very interesting situation. I would tend to think that it would be pretty rare for this to happen. As I would assume that most people would only use an evade figure with a one faction team, to maximize the effect of the evade against the enemy.

At any rate, I would agree that the furry guy should be stood back up. In my thinking, an attack is an attack. Even if he wasnt the intended target, wasnt he still "attacked"?

Thank you all... I am of the same opinion. It was clearly by accident and I felt he should stand back up anyways but my nephew strongly felt his wicket was defeated.. Who was I to argue LOL...

Here is one more that happened to us today.
I have one figure left S4 Vader (force push) my nephew has one figure left. He knocks down my vader and his window is white(remove attacking figure) Dose that mean the match is a draw???
What would be the ruling on this???

4-11 vader has recover, svt-4 vader (the gold base one) has attackback.. Are you talking about 2-17 vader with force push? Because all he does is move a figure, he doesnt take it out of play. 3-23 vader and has vengeance (that does remove the attacker) but you have to have another figure in play.

Sounds like you lost to me.

[Yaggleberry Finn]

radar said:

But back to the original question.....This is probably a too legalistic view of the rule, but hear me out. If a character knocks over a clone and an Ewok, when Ewoks may not be attacked, does that then mean that there was no attack and both figures stand back up? Kind of like when you knock a figure over with your sleeve. Just a thought.

Hmm, interesting question. I guess it would depend on how the clone was knocked down. If, for example, the Ewok was flung into the Clone Trooper by another striker, then I would say they both stand up (and should be returned to their original positions, not simply stand up where they are), since the attack on the Ewok (which was not allowed due to the Evade power) caused the death of the clone.

If the Clone Trooper is attacked and subsequently knocks down the Ewok, then I would say the clone is still defeated, but the Ewok stands back up wherever he was before the attack.

[grizz]

malform said:

grizz said:

4-11 vader has recover, svt-4 vader (the gold base one) has attackback.. Are you talking about 2-17 vader with force push? Because all he does is move a figure, he doesnt take it out of play. 3-23 vader and has vengeance (that does remove the attacker) but you have to have another figure in play.

Sounds like you lost to me.

Yes it was 3-23 Vader and you are right I lost as I did not have another figure in play we just missed that part of the special somehow.

[haldu2]

It seems to me that if the ewok is not the direct recipiant of an attack as in the missle or saber actually hits him then he was not attacked and is, in effect, a civiallian death.

[AWOL]

If Ewok was attacked and knocked into Clone, Clone stands up.

If Clone was attacked and knocked into Ewok, Ewok stands up.

[superflytnt]

1. Yes. Specials are always active UNLESS something like Vengeance comes into play. If Yoda is killed by Obi Wan and Yoda is white, Obi Wan is dead irrespective of his window color. In effect, specials that call enemies to the defeated pile cancels the enemy's special.

2. If an Evade power comes into play, but a friendly or enemy figure is thrown into the Evading class or figure, too bad. If the US Army is told not to bomb a certain mosque, but there's an enemy emplacement nearby, if that emplacement is bombed and debris destroys the mosque, the mosque is just as destroyed, even though it was never supposed to be attacked. Collateral damage is a SOB!