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Post by grievous on Oct 30, 2007 9:23:49 GMT -5
Alright, last night's episode was MUCH better than I expected it to be. I was thinking this would be a filler episode but it turned out much better. Kensei's turn, Sylar playing Palpatine to Maya, H.R.G's willingness to walk the gray line, and Mohinder's teaming with Niki/Jessica were all great plot developments. Anyways, here's a theory involving the full series of eight paintings. I included links to each one in order (presuming H.R.G. put them in chronological order which he at least did with the last three) with my thoughts. Kaito Nakamura's Death, 1/8Gives us a baseline for where the paintings start from. Not much to add to it. Dead Blonde on Stairs?, 2/8That's what it looks like to me, anyways. Personally, I think this is from where West and Claire pranked the head cheerleader which means it has already happened and can't be theorized on much. One interesting thing is that H.R.G. does not know that this painting's future has happened and, therefore, will likely be more protective of Claire. Vial, 3/8Probably a vial of one of the various viruses. Blonde Banging On Metal, 4/8This is likely Niki/Jessica. With the way she was acting with Mohinder, I'd bet money that Jessica currently has control over the body. Perhaps this painting is a metaphor for Niki trying to take back control? Two guys, biohazard, jail?, 5/8That looks a LOT like Peter with a scar if you ask me. The man standing behind him could be the Adam character or someone else. Biohazard symbol means that they're likely in/around a quarantined area. Hiro Fights Kensei, 6/8Not much to say. One interesting thing to note is that presuming that these paintings happen in order and only show the future, we could see Kensei and Hiro battling in the present time. Mohinder Fires A Gun, 7/8Mohinder fires a gun... more on that in a minute. H.R.G.'s Death, 8/8This is where it gets interesting. Note that this painting immediately follows Mohinder's shooting image. Also consider that Mohinder has shown he is not taking orders from H.R.G. and that the Company may actually be trying to stop the virus. Also note that Jessica is very... persuasive. I think that Mohinder might end up permanently joining the Company via the influence of Jessica and then he ends up shooting H.R.G. I know the common theory is that the girl in the image is Claire and the boy is West but one thing that is interesting is that both characters in the painting are of the same height. West is noticeably taller than Claire while Jessica and Mohinder are roughly the same height. Just figured I'd give you all something to chew on... Also, the room Peter and Caitlin found is Kensei's stash of treasures he's collected over thousands of years. Just a random thought .
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Post by ionicdesign on Oct 30, 2007 9:32:51 GMT -5
Dead Blonde on Stairs?, 2/8 Wasn't Claire facing the other way (hands/head on the high side of the stairs)? It is hard to see the painting, but from what I can see it also appears the person has short hair as well. Good old precog paintings
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Post by greyelephant on Oct 30, 2007 15:44:24 GMT -5
Posted by ionicdesign on Today at 10:32am Wasn't Claire facing the other way (hands/head on the high side of the stairs)? It is hard to see the painting, but from what I can see it also appears the person has short hair as well. Good old precog paintings |
No, that is the way she fell. I am confident that it is her. This is where it gets interesting. Note that this painting immediately follows Mohinder's shooting image. Also consider that Mohinder has shown he is not taking orders from H.R.G. and that the Company may actually be trying to stop the virus. Also note that Jessica is very... persuasive. I think that Mohinder might end up permanently joining the Company via the influence of Jessica and then he ends up shooting H.R.G.
I know the common theory is that the girl in the image is Claire and the boy is West but one thing that is interesting is that both characters in the painting are of the same height. West is noticeably taller than Claire while Jessica and Mohinder are roughly the same height. |
The painting of Mohinder firing the gun and H.G.R. dead is too coincidental if you ask me. I feel their must be more to it. This could very well be Mohinder's last stand against the company. Maybe he is firing at Jessica because she broke his nose. She is obviously with him to keep him in line. If you look at the back of the knees of the boy you can see they are bent to some degree. This would imply that he is stooping down to wards her. No, that is Claire. She just joined the cheer leading team which is why she would be in the skirt. Jessica never wore a skirt through any episodes. I'm telling you that the virus or some sorta virus outbreak is going to come from Maya. She can't control her "gift" unless her brother is with her. If he is out of the picture then she will wipe out a lot of the population. I could possibly see that the ''vile'' contains some of her blood. Imagine what the company could do with that? Wonder what happens to the Haitian? He isn't shown in any of the pictures. I am not so sure if that is supposed to be Hiro and Kensai fighting in the present time. This is one thing that is going to occur, but in the past still. Just look at the way they are dressed. Hiro is still wearing his same outfit as well as Kensai. I just wonder what is the REAL reason that they are leaving Hiro in the past. He must be responsible to some degree to what is happening in the future.
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Post by Ben Kenobi on Oct 30, 2007 16:45:49 GMT -5
I just wonder what is the REAL reason that they are leaving Hiro in the past. He must be responsible to some degree to what is happening in the future. That's what I really want to know. This isn't just going to be written off as one of Hiro's little adventures and then you forget all about it once Hiro comes back to the present. What makes me really curious is why Hiro isn't back yet. Theoretically, Hiro could have gone to the past, done this whole little thing with Kensei, and then come back to the present without any delay in time. So here are three things might have happened - Hiro just can't control his powers well enough to come back within 4 or 5 months after he left and he'll just show up later, he is off busy doing something else in the future, or for some reason he cannot get back. I really don't know. Any ideas? Also, Sanjog. We need more Sanjog.
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Post by ionicdesign on Oct 30, 2007 16:48:54 GMT -5
He still needs to take on the Dinosaur from the other painting right?
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Post by Locke333 on Oct 30, 2007 16:52:30 GMT -5
It's like Lost before it became inane.quote] Sorry Grievous, but I have to disagree. lost is the best show on television ;D
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Post by Whiz Kid on Oct 31, 2007 13:28:13 GMT -5
Jessica never wore a skirt through any episodes. YET. And to be honest, I'm not completely sure she hasn't. Not a skirt like that, definitely, but I'm not entirely certain there were no skirts through all of season 1. Mind you, I'm pretty sure that's Claire, but with several blonde girls in the show, I'm not counting any of them out yet. ...and? I could see numerous ways for them to be fighting in the present day while wearing the same clothes. Hiro's power only takes a few seconds of concentration, less when he uses it as a reflex. It's entirely possible for him to bend space/time as they fight. That's really negligible to me, though. Kensei vs. Hiro is going to be awesome regardless. My own theory is that Hiro will defeat (kill?) Kensei, then take up his mantle (we saw the painting of Kensei in the first season that looked suspiciously like Future Hiro), marrying the swordsmith's daughter and becoming a legend. Of course, he could still pop up for a visit every now and then, so it's not like they even have to write him out of the show. Agreed. I'm trying to figure out what possible effect Hiro could honestly have on the future. Honestly, everything he's done so far is -quite literally- the stuff of legend. Up until now, I've had trouble believing that any of this would really affect the space/time continuum that Hiro's so worried about. The guns change matters a bit, but I'm still wondering how (if?) it all ties together.
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Post by greyelephant on Oct 31, 2007 15:35:14 GMT -5
Posted by Whiz Kid on Today at 2:28pm
Yesterday at 4:44pm, greyelephant wrote:Jessica never wore a skirt through any episodes.
YET. And to be honest, I'm not completely sure she hasn't. Not a skirt like that, definitely, but I'm not entirely certain there were no skirts through all of season 1. Mind you, I'm pretty sure that's Claire, but with several blonde girls in the show, I'm not counting any of them out yet. |
It's the kind of skirt that catches my eye. Just like a cheerleader would wear. That's why I believe it to be Claire. My only concern is if that is in fact West or not. One thing that we can't forget is the file named "Adam" (I think it was Adam). This is interesting because that means we are to see some new "hero" soon. I just wonder how he is going to be linked with the others. I like G.'s theory that it seems all of the current heroes can be linked to the original heroes in the photos. So it makes me wonder who is Adam and who is he linked to. Here is something funny that I though of. What if Hiro does in fact become Kensai? Wouldn't it be interesting to see him have children with the princess and find out that they are his own heritage/lineage. So it could be that Hiro is Hiro's own great, great, great, great, ect......daddy. Kinda sick in a way, but an interesting thought.
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Post by Whiz Kid on Oct 31, 2007 17:16:42 GMT -5
Posted by Whiz Kid on Today at 2:28pm Yesterday at 4:44pm, greyelephant wrote:Jessica never wore a skirt through any episodes. YET. And to be honest, I'm not completely sure she hasn't. Not a skirt like that, definitely, but I'm not entirely certain there were no skirts through all of season 1. Mind you, I'm pretty sure that's Claire, but with several blonde girls in the show, I'm not counting any of them out yet. |
It's the kind of skirt that catches my eye. Just like a cheerleader would wear. That's why I believe it to be Claire. My only concern is if that is in fact West or not. I'm not saying Jessica wore a pleated skirt like that. I think we'd ALL remember it. I was responding directly to your claim that she NEVER wore a skirt, period. And just because she's never worn a skirt (or a skirt like that) doesn't mean she never will. I also tend to doubt it because it just seems too convenient. Finding a picture that shows your death, and in the background is a girl with blonde hair and wearing a pleated skirt, which just happens to allude to your daughter on both counts? The picture that precedes it just happens to show Mohinder with a smoking gun? No, I'm not buying it. This show isn't exactly known for giving us the obvious. The faces and backgrounds are obscured for a reason. There's also the thought that with all the powers/Heroes out there, who's to say that's even HRG? What if (for example) Sylar finally taps into the powers he took from Candice, then impersonates HRG to get close to Claire and get her power... and ends up shot in the face by Mohinder, the real HRG, West, Nikki, etc? Wouldn't that be a kick? Indeed. I'm really curious what Peter's been up to during the time he can't remember. I'm also wondering if the memory loss is connected to our favorite Haitian (or someone with a similar power), and intrigued by the fact that Peter suddenly has electrical abilities... and so does our new girl. A tad bit coincidental there, isn't it? I'm not sure the show would really go that far, but it is a possibility. 400 years of lineage would mix up the genetics quite a bit, removing the risk of him "inbreeding" himself into existence.
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Post by greyelephant on Oct 31, 2007 17:30:38 GMT -5
Posted by Whiz Kid on Today at 6:16pm No, I'm not buying it. This show isn't exactly known for giving us the obvious. The faces and backgrounds are obscured for a reason. There's also the thought that with all the powers/Heroes out there, who's to say that's even HRG? What if (for example) Sylar finally taps into the powers he took from Candice, then impersonates HRG to get close to Claire and get her power... and ends up shot in the face by Mohinder, the real HRG, West, Nikki, etc? Wouldn't that be a kick? |
Interesting idea. Sylar becomes HRG and then gets whacked. Great thinking. I still scratch my head as to why Sylar can't seem to call up the other heroes powers that he stole, but seems to still have his own. Makes me wonder if he was experimented on while he was unconscience. Do you wonder if Adam is the one killing the heroes? Seems funny with how emphatic "Midas Touch" was when Mohinder brought up the subject. Didn't electric girl call the person on the phone daddy? Unless that is some really strange term of endearment it would coincide that she is someones daughter of maybe one of the original 12.
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Post by ionicdesign on Oct 31, 2007 18:50:59 GMT -5
Didn't electric girl call the person on the phone daddy? Unless that is some really strange term of endearment it would coincide that she is someones daughter of maybe one of the original 12. Seemed her daddy would be Bob, but that is just a guess on my part.
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Post by grievous on Oct 31, 2007 19:25:12 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing until I (think I) figured it out last Monday. It was a "forehead slap" moment. Sylar has the Shanti virus. It stops powers. I also find it highly likely that the Company gave it to him on purpose in order to try and make him easier to manage since he wouldn't have his powers to toss around. Apparently, it didn't work since Sylar is just as homicidal without his powers, as Candice learned .
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Post by bobafetch0007 on Nov 2, 2007 6:08:45 GMT -5
WOW! Bigger conversation than the last two weeks, but doesn't surprise me after such a good episode.
Now I have to go soon so I just want to talk about Hiro...I think Hiro is staying in the past because he doesn't want to know that he is responsible for whatever happens in the future. I think he will kill Kensei and take his spot as the Japanese Legend, the only thing I want to know is how he's gonna do that. I mean "K.T." can regenerate..right.
Also I noticed a few people asking what effect could Hiro possibly make on the future, and it really isn't that hard. After what happened with Hiro and Kensei, now K.T. is on White Beard's side. So they not only have (what seems so far) as an invincible man, but they have guns in the year 1686 (I know thats not the right year exactly, but you get the point) Now think about it. What year was it till the British get guns? About 100 or so years later. This makes Japan's technology 100 years better than ours. Now think about this, Japan having machine guns at the time we are in the Civil War! They would win WWII. They could control all of America.
So, Yes, Hiro must stay in the past, or make a devestating effect on the future.
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Post by grievous on Nov 2, 2007 8:13:32 GMT -5
Hiro could kill Kensei the same way Peter and Claire were "killed", by jabbing something into his head/relieving Kensei of said head. They've shown time and again that regenerators in Heroes are like zombies, just shoot 'em in the head and get it over with . One thing I found interesting was that Kensei was able to follow Hiro and Yaeko and find them. How long were they gone? When Hiro teleported, did he go into the future or something because I would assume that White Beard's camp is a decent distance from that generic forest that Hiro and the other members of the Past Brigade seem to be in. I'd also assume it would take quite some time to get out of White Beard's camp and then get to that forest. If it was an "instant teleport", then Kensei absolutely shouldn't have been in that forest. If it was time travel/teleport, it makes a bit more sense but there's still problems... How was Kensei successfully able to track them down? He seems to have found them awful fast. How was Kensei able to get back to the mountain before Hiro came back to talk to him? He didn't seem to be winded like he was running, he seemed to just be sitting around thinking. He also would have needed time to join White Beard's gang. There's something weird going on with Kensei and it just doesn't seem right that he was able to find Hiro and Yaeko that quickly and then get back just as fast. Perhaps Kensei is an empath like Peter? It'd give him the ability to get back and forth from White Beard's camp to the forest with the speed that seems to be required. If that's true, then one of the other characters in the past has the power of regeneration. Yaeko, perhaps? I dunno. Seems like mindless speculation but I do know this. Kensei should NOT have been able to see that kiss unless something else is going on.
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Post by Ben Kenobi on Nov 3, 2007 8:52:30 GMT -5
Found this somewhere else and thought it was worth posting. Could this mean Kensei is connected to the future somehow? Could Kensei be Adam? I just don't know, but this is a really cool clue.
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