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Post by mada on Nov 28, 2005 14:39:00 GMT -5
can we see who gives us karma?
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Post by jedimendes on Nov 28, 2005 18:45:23 GMT -5
Probbaly not becuse than people would want revenge.
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Post by Lord Gravesmythe on Nov 28, 2005 23:54:33 GMT -5
Finally! I've been waiting for someone to call me on this. To answer your question: I go to so much length to post in order to avoid confusion about where I stand on various topics. I may be right. I may be wrong. But I won't be indecisive. What I find ironic is that I get negative karma for supporting myself. The irony comes in that I receive the negative karma from people (or a single, very obsessed person) who are too gutless to make a post or even a PM to support their actions. That's exactly how I feel, GE. And that's the point I'm trying to make. Positive karma or negative doesn't really matter. What matters is whether a person has the guts to make a case in a post or PM or whether that person wants to be a [insert body part here---male, female, or both---they all apply] and do something without having to fear repercussion. What I'm trying to illustrate is that if a person isn't making 200 inane posts with no content just to boost post numbers, but is still getting negative karma points, then the people who are *giving* the negative karma are the ones with the problems. It's problem ownership. If you disagree, fine. Just state your case with support. If you want to hide behind negative karma points, fine. But the psychological profile of people who do such (and apparently do such repeatedly) is that of a person with low self-esteem and a desire to gain power by attempting to tear other people down. The reason I post at length is because my posts obviously irritate those people (or that very troubled person). Why? Because I'm right that their behavior stems from a problem that has very little to do with me in the first place. It's their problem and by calling them on it, I put the ball squarly in their court. Either they can deal with their problem or they can't. Either way, trying to foist it upon me through negative karma points is laughable and ineffective. I refuse to let it become my problem (other than just getting to provoke them more by being myself). That bothers them far more than any amount of negative karma will ever bother me.
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Post by greyelephant on Nov 29, 2005 8:40:56 GMT -5
I feel for you LordGravesmythe so therefor I noticed that you had a negative 1 in your Karma. I exalted you (hopfully correctly) to bring you to 0. Nothing wrong with stating your mind as long as you are doing it with dignity. Not saying you always do it with dignity but........lol I guess we are all guilty of that sometimes.
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Post by Phoenix on Nov 29, 2005 12:08:39 GMT -5
Perhaps they don't feel like arguing with you. I'm sure whatever argument they would have against you, you would counter with a lengthy attack (or defense). Personally, I like to see attacktix discussion on the board and not several paragraphs of 'I am mightier than thou and you have bad self esteem for smiting me and not confronting me ...blah blah blah.' So I roll my eyes and smite you today (for the first time). I really like it better when you post your cool 100 point teams and stay away from the psychological profiling of our other members. Please feel free to smite me back. Just make sure you tell me personally, on principal. In the words of a very famous commercial 'BRING IT!'
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Post by YodaBreaker on Nov 29, 2005 12:30:11 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I'd add that the case should be stated with civility, as well. Because some of your posts have the flavor of globally-oriented ad hominem name-calling attacks (including one of your follow-ups to this thread, to wit: and ), I pressed the smite tag on you. Based on what research, exactly? Again, this is where I believe you assume facts not in evidence. I enjoy discussing things when there's actual data behind the points that are made, but when one offers such a psychological profile ex nihilio without having any personality or psychodiagnostic data to back it up, I take umbrage. However, I've smited once without a post, so I'll not smite this time
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Post by Lonestar on Nov 29, 2005 12:34:57 GMT -5
I second some of the thoughts, and agree with many, but feel as though much of this discussion is turning personal, and quite frankly not at all about Attacktix. I wonder if this thread should be moved to the general gabbery folder because it doesn't really pertain to what we are here to discuss.
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Post by Lord Gravesmythe on Nov 29, 2005 19:51:41 GMT -5
Perhaps I should take umbrage that you apparently did not do any research to back up your disagreement, only questioned my authority/psychological data. Still, you seemed ready to hit the Smite button for *my* lack of evidence, when you provide not even a contention, much less any evidence that what I said was in error. Well, YodaBreaker, to answer your charge and basis for giving me negative karma, I can support my statements with bookloads of research actually. Far too much to go back through trunks filled with case studies and begin a psychology string here. Suffice to say that this article, in a nutshell defines the reasoning of a person with low self-esteem. www.mindpub.com/art105.htmHere's a tidbit from paragraph 5 that supports what I've already said about actions: "They are too quick to read insult and ridicule in the innocent remarks of others. Since they feel insulted, hurt, embarrassed, and ashamed without due cause, their reactions baffle and alienate others." Let's see, doesn't the act of giving negative Karma points drive right to the heart of "their reactions...alienate others." Moving on, here's an nice little piece about narcissistic sadists. While the term "low self-esteem" doesn't appear in the text---most likely because the narcissist is embroiled with a complex mixture of holier-than-thou-esteem and lower-than-a-snake's-belly-esteem, check out the last two full paragraphs: "Deeper still, the narcissist has an image of himself as a worthless, bad and dysfunctional extension of others. In constant need of Narcissistic Supply, he feels humiliated by his dependency. The contrast between his grandiose fantasies and the reality of his habit, neediness and, often, failure (the Grandiosity Gap) is an emotionally corroding experience. It is a perpetual background noise of devilish, demeaning scorn. His inner voices "say" to him: 'You are a fraud', 'You are a zero', 'You deserve nothing', 'If only they knew how worthless you are'. "The narcissist attempts to silence these tormenting voices not by fighting them but by agreeing with them. Unconsciously – sometimes consciously – he 'responds' to them: 'I do agree with you. I am bad and worthless and deserving of the most severe punishment for my rotten character, bad habits, addiction and the constant fakery that is my life. I will go out and seek my doom. Now that I have complied – will you leave me alone? Will you let me be?'" samvak.tripod.com/faq56.htmlAnd finally, this brings us to the behavior of giving negative karma points. For someone who is doing this repeatedly, or for someone who is doing it because his beliefs are threatened and he wants to "return the favor" this would be considered "scapegoating." "In so far as the process is unconscious it is more likely to be denied by the perpetrator. In such cases, any bad feelings - such as the perpetrator's own shame and guilt - are also likely to be denied. Scapegoating frees the perpetrator from some self-dissatisfaction and provides some narcissistic gratification to him. It enables the self-righteous discharge of aggression. Scapegoaters tend to have extra-punitive characteristics [Kraupl-Taylor, 1953]." The links to the other articles? Self-dissatisfaction=low self-esteem. And more obvious...narcissistic gratification is mentioned as well. The link to this entire thread: "It enables the self-righteous discharge of aggression." Isn't that what giving negative karma really is? And: "Scapegoaters tend to have extra-punitive characteristics." Such as giving negative karma for no reason other than they take umbrage at something without bothering to see if that something is true. For shame, YB. www.scapegoat.demon.co.uk/So, YB, you asked for the "evidence" and I have laid it out before you. Like it or not, I don't really care. The research is what it is no matter how much you may disagree. I guess you can rack me up with negative karma till the cows come home, if that will make you feel better. It won't change anything, though. I still have the data and you still have the displeasure. So, Phoenix, YB, "I brung it." Hopefully, you see it more as a defense of my statements, not an attack on anyone in particular. At least the two of you gave reasons for smiting, which is more than I can say for the other smiters. But when asked to qualify my comments, you can be sure that I will. Happy?
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Post by greyelephant on Nov 30, 2005 8:00:13 GMT -5
Whats a narcissist?
Also it hasn't been answered if this negative Karma effects you in any ways other than just showing up under you name?
Also I wonder why whenever I see the word Karma I keep humming the Boy George song "Chame, Chame, Chame, Chame, Chame, Chameleon you come and go, you come and goooooooooo." Kinda creepy isn't it? ;D
That is for all of us who remember Boy George. *Shiver running up spine*
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Post by Lonestar on Nov 30, 2005 9:09:58 GMT -5
Whats a narcissist? Also it hasn't been answered if this negative Karma effects you in any ways other than just showing up under you name? Also I wonder why whenever I see the word Karma I keep humming the Boy George song "Chame, Chame, Chame, Chame, Chame, Chameleon you come and go, you come and goooooooooo." Kinda creepy isn't it? ;D That is for all of us who remember Boy George. *Shiver running up spine* Arggggggh! I have spent years trying to forget him, and now you have brought it all back! I Smite you for the thought of it! (Not really, just joking!)
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Post by malform on Nov 30, 2005 9:34:57 GMT -5
man..... If you wanted to make me feel old you could have done it with something cool like the talking heads, the clash, billy idol, or maybe devo friggin boy george
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Post by MasterTiMothee on Nov 30, 2005 9:36:48 GMT -5
GreyElephant ... The term "narcissist" comes from the Greek myth of Narcissus, who so deeply adored the reflection of himself in a pool that he died there, staring at his own reflection. (There are other versions of the myth too.)The term is used in psychoanalytic theory to describe persons with a self-appraisal that is so positive that it becomes (or is in danger of becoming) a morbid preoccupation with oneself.
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Post by MasterTiMothee on Nov 30, 2005 9:38:58 GMT -5
And, Lord Gravesmythe, forget not that part of "scapegoating"---especially in its inversive forms---often includes perceiving shadows of one's own negative feelings in the neutral actions of others. (See, for example, Mario Gollwitzer's empirical research into the relationship between normative transgressions and punitive judgments.)
This would potentially include perceiving an act of relative neutrality or mild negativity (for example, Phoenix or YodaBreaker hitting the "smite" button not because they dislike you but because they enjoy discussions that are more focused on games and related subjects instead of personal tirades) as a negative personal attack.
In truth, even in counseling, a diagnosis of scapegoating (as well as transference and counter-transference) is always dangerous because it is difficult to tell who is actually the subject and who is the object. That is, it is always possible that, in my accusation of someone else using me as a scapegoat, it is actually me using them in that manner. (In this regard, see Jacques Derrida's critique of Sigmund Freud's psychoanalytic theory.)
All of that said, can this discussion cease and desist? Or, could it be pursued in a calm and rational fashion? From my perspective, there have been a lot of unnecessary flames and accusations flying back and forth.
And, no, I haven't smitten anyone over any of this. I'd rather reserve my daily smite-and-exalt quota for exalting the best comments.
But, should anyone disagree with what I've said, then go ahead and---to quote Jim Carrey in Bruce Almighty---"Smite me, oh thou Mighty Smiter!"
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Post by boba on Nov 30, 2005 11:55:11 GMT -5
I thought all this karma stuff was quite cool at first but its just turned people against people and caused arguments. Its kinda nasty how if someone does something wrong you can smite them. everyone makes mistakes right? I think exalting them is a good idea but not smiting. Thats just my opinion.
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Post by jedimendes on Nov 30, 2005 19:31:46 GMT -5
Well some people do it constanly, for that a smite in the back is deserved
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