Whiz Kid
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Post by Whiz Kid on Sept 19, 2007 17:08:22 GMT -5
As I've been working with a few customs, assigning them classes has led to some interesting things.
I realize that in the first series of what, 30 or so individual characters (not counting too many of the repaints) that we're not going to see too many exposure to some classes, but some of them have no characters, and some never will again! Some thoughts here:
Spider-Man: I'm still not sure why he gets his own class. Maybe the "teams up with everyone" aspect? The most likely reason is to give classes to characters like Black Cat and... you know, honestly, I'm not sure there really that many characters who would NEED to have the SM class. Most of them could go on other teams (Cat could join the Marvel Knights, for example), and Spidey himself can fit on Avengers, Fantastic Four, and Marvel Knights.
X-Men: My only qualm here is that we have so few. Series 2 boosters, where are you?!
Avengers: Same deal with X-Men. This team can encompass roughly half the Marvel Universe, or at least half the characters we're likely to see in 'Tix form.
Sinister Syndicate: So many Spidey villains, it pretty much HAD to be done. Thing is, unlike Spidey who just teams up with other people/teams (and thus doesn't really need a class of his own), the Spider-Man villains form teams all the blasted time, often with the sole purpose of running our webbed hero into the ground.
Brotherhood: Honestly, I don't see where this is going to go. Maybe another version or two of Magneto and Sabretooth, the rest of Freedom Force (Blob and Avalanche; I doubt we'll see Destiny), maybe Apocalypse and a Sentinel... that's probably about it. As popular as the X-Men are, their villains really aren't. I mean, I'd LOVE a White Queen (X-Men or Brotherhood), but I really doubt it'll ever happen.
Marvel Knights: Functionally, this seems to be a 'catch-all' for the Marvel heroes who have nowhere else to go. As I'm of the opinion that pretty much all the heroes need a class, I'm okay with it.
Doom Army: Um... Army? Doom, some Doombots, maybe a Namor, and... ? I have a feeling that if we see more Marvel 'tix, this would function as the villain form of Marvel Knights, especially since they don't have much to choose from.
Fantastic Four: Lots of potential here... just need the figures to fill it.
Ghost Rider: Um... where was this on the Ghost Rider figures? I doubt we'll see too many other versions of ol' Flame-Head, so this seems really wasted in concept alone.
The Hidden: Talk about waste! Not only were they bad figures promoting a bad movie and weren't even in the comic (save Blackheart, who looks NOTHING like that), but we didn't even get all of them! This group is lame on so many levels I don't know what to say.
Those are just some random thoughts. I have no clue what the S2 starter might reveal, as I'm not one of the lucky ones to have it. My guess is that the GR group got scrapped, and SHIELD added, as the S2 booster pics reveal a Nick Fury and some SHIELD Agents. Any other changes?
Also, since I'm rather new to the game in general, what's the deal with no class at all? Is this not allowed? I'm working on the assumption that half the reason that some of these classes exist (Spider-Man and Doom Army, in particular) is to make sure there is ALWAYS a class to put someone in, which fits with the SW and TF brands- to my knowledge everyone in those belongs to a group, with no exceptions.
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Post by greyelephant on Sept 19, 2007 17:44:28 GMT -5
For brotherhood you could possibly assign, Juggernaut, Toad, Blob, Multiple Man (a ladies man), and Avalanche. That's not too bad IMO.
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Post by ionicdesign on Sept 19, 2007 19:17:24 GMT -5
Yeah lots of Brotherhood figures that could be made, some others that could be made (though not all that likely) are Destiny, Sauron, Silver Samurai, Phantazia, Exodus, Mastermind, and the white Queen (if they can do so tactfully) but GE has most of the traditional core members in his list. I would really like to see a figure of Jamie Maddrox (Multiple Man), but would prefer if he was his normal heroic self and on the X-men. Movie notwithstanding, I think he was only ever a villain in the Ultimate Marvel universe (nothing from the Ultimate Universe has been made in Attacktix yet have they?). He could definitely have some fun effect or special about bringing to of him into play I agree that I'm confused about the GhostRider class, it seems an oversight now, as all of them were Marvel Knights, and it doesn't look like there will be more Ghost Riders, for a while at least.
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Post by Whiz Kid on Sept 19, 2007 22:36:49 GMT -5
Yeah lots of Brotherhood figures that could be made, some others that could be made (though not all that likely) are Destiny, Sauron, Silver Samurai, Phantazia, Exodus, Mastermind, and the white Queen (if they can do so tactfully) but GE has most of the traditional core members in his list. Sure, just about any X-villain can be on the Brotherhood, regardless of actual affiliation in the comics, but my point is the same as yours: How many of them are we likely to get? Again, it's the X-Men that are popular, the villains... not so much. The average Joe could probably name more Spider-Man foes. Also agreed. None of the figures so far have been Ultimate versions, even the S2 pics didn't show any. The Ghost Rider figures gave us our only direct tie-in to a movie or TV show, and they were effectively stand-alones, not part of the "set proper." I don't mind getting Ultimate/movie/show versions of characters in the future, but I hope that the trend continues, and that they are either compatible with the normal Marvel Universe (as GR himself is) or that we get regular versions as well. I'm holding out for a "normal" Blackheart...
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Post by ionicdesign on Sept 19, 2007 23:20:54 GMT -5
A "normal" Blackheart...would be fun, he's a scary looking fellow. ;D As for the Brotherhood, I'd think the Toad, Blob, and maybe Avalanche would be made. It has been so long since he was prominent, but the Silver Samurai would be a great figure. The others I listed had all been part of the Brotherhood at one time or another, but admittedly some are less well know than others.
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Post by Cona Chris on Sept 20, 2007 8:12:45 GMT -5
I never understood why Spider-Man got his own faction either, although in Series 2 (if I remember correctly) I think Daredevil is in the Spider-Man class, so it seems that they are trying to beef that faction up. In the end I agree with it because were bound to have many more Marvel Knights at some point.
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Post by greyelephant on Sept 20, 2007 8:59:53 GMT -5
I would love Black Cat to become part of the Spiderman team. I also remember a Spiderman cartoon where he was the leader of a team that included the Fantastic Four, Black Cat, and someone else I can't remember. But the point is that all of these could possibly show up under the Spiderman class. The Hidden is by far the worst group I have ever seen concieved for a class. Whatever Hasbro was drinking when they came up with this had to be pretty strong. Sheild could be great! Think of how many figures that we could see from that group. If you think about it many times during the cartoons (look at Marvel Ultimate Alliance for game systems) we saw Nick Fury lead a group of hero's. X-Men is what I am most excited about. I really want to see more X-Men and villians. I loved the cartoons. I own all of the ones from the 90's along with all of the Spiderman ones as well.
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Post by malform on Sept 20, 2007 9:02:29 GMT -5
I too thought that a spider-man faction seemed rather odd... Then I realized that there is a spider-man faction in herclix as well, and it includes a whole bunch of people. Like Black Cat, Black Panther, Cage, Deathlok, Daredevil, Darkhawk, Dr. Strange, Hulk, and many more.
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Post by superflytnt on Sept 20, 2007 14:24:34 GMT -5
Yeah lots of Brotherhood figures that could be made, some others that could be made (though not all that likely) are Destiny, Sauron, Silver Samurai, Phantazia, Exodus, Mastermind, and the white Queen (if they can do so tactfully) but GE has most of the traditional core members in his list. I would really like to see a figure of Jamie Maddrox (Multiple Man), but would prefer if he was his normal heroic self and on the X-men. Movie notwithstanding, I think he was only ever a villain in the Ultimate Marvel universe (nothing from the Ultimate Universe has been made in Attacktix yet have they?). He could definitely have some fun effect or special about bringing to of him into play I agree that I'm confused about the GhostRider class, it seems an oversight now, as all of them were Marvel Knights, and it doesn't look like there will be more Ghost Riders, for a while at least. I could SO see Multiple Man being the new 'quintissential trooper'. Imagine him with a small gun and base or small base and 'punch' with 12 speed. Add a 33% chance of bringing in 3 Multiple Men from backups. That would be wicked. As for Doom Army, I think that these were likely supposed to ship at or about the time of the Marvel Alliance video game and F4-II ROTSS movie, hence there could be a game tie-in where some of the folks like Mandarin and whatnot from the game could be figures. I never understood why Spider-Man got his own faction either, although in Series 2 (if I remember correctly) I think Daredevil is in the Spider-Man class, so it seems that they are trying to beef that faction up. In the end I agree with it because were bound to have many more Marvel Knights at some point. I could've seen Iceman, Firestorm, and She-Hulk being in the Spidey class for the "Superfriends" factor, but the GR tie in was an immense waste. What a crap decision that was - I know Brett was tied on that one because it was a Corporate Hasbro blunder, so I hold no ill will there.
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Post by Whiz Kid on Sept 20, 2007 16:34:51 GMT -5
I too thought that a spider-man faction seemed rather odd... Then I realized that there is a spider-man faction in herclix as well, and it includes a whole bunch of people. Like Black Cat, Black Panther, Cage, Deathlok, Daredevil, Darkhawk, Dr. Strange, Hulk, and many more. Yes, but in Heroclix, the people in the Spider-Man faction are "wildcards," with the so-called team actually representing the heroes who often team up with anyone who's available. In 'tix, it represents... uh, Spider-Man. That's it. The class itself IS Spider-Man, not "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends." If that's what it's going to be all about, then hey, cool, I'm all for it, but right now, it's 5 variations of Spidey, and there is nothing to suggest to me what this "team" is meant to be or represent. Putting DD on it seems to be the first step in expanding it. It would seem that we will have two "Marvel Universe" classes to put the guys who don't really go with any other team in: Marvel Knights for the "dark, gritty, anti-hero" type, and Spider-Man for the guys who don't need quite so much therapy. Honestly, I hope it turns out that way, but right now, having Spidey with his own class is pretty darn pointless.
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Post by greyelephant on Sept 20, 2007 17:17:54 GMT -5
I don't know if I would consider it pointless. I really don't mind it at all. I for one love Spidey and most of the sculpts/figures they have come out are good ones. I understand where you are going though. They just need to expand on making other characters that are not Spiderman fall into the Spiderman class. Even the Punisher helped Spidey out once. How cool would that have been if they would have made Punisher Spidey class instead of MK? Well, that and drop him 10 points. Truthfully, I don't see tons of research done on some of these figures or classes. That is also one of the things I would love to see fixed during the hiatus. Star Wars you can get away with it most of the time, but Marvel you had characters bouncing all over the place. You really need to do some research before you start classifying where they should go.
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Post by Whiz Kid on Sept 20, 2007 22:42:06 GMT -5
I don't know if I would consider it pointless. I really don't mind it at all. I for one love Spidey and most of the sculpts/figures they have come out are good ones. But how does one character justify an entire class? Assuming that is the point, of course. Otherwise it's just a place for the Spider-clones to hang out. You don't want to talk "Punisher" and "cool" with me. I'm not the guy's biggest fan, and frankly, I'm okay with him right where he is. My biggest fear is that we'll get more of him. Like...? My qualm isn't with where any character has gone, so much as what purpose some of these classes serve. I'm curious which ones you think are out of place.
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Post by greyelephant on Sept 21, 2007 18:32:47 GMT -5
Posted by Whiz Kid on Yesterday at 5:34pm Like...? My qualm isn't with where any character has gone, so much as what purpose some of these classes serve. I'm curious which ones you think are out of place. |
Well, the point I am making is that figures such as Mystique could justifiably be an opponent for Magneto. They teamed her up with him, which is true, but she also worked on her own a lot and even became his nemesis for a while. Maybe "out of place" is worded wrong. I would hate just as much as you would (Punisher) that we won't keep seeing figures such as Dare Devil, Punisher, Wolverine, and Mystique being re classed but same mold over and over again, simply because they could plop him into another class. What I want is research done before the figure is thrown into a class so I don't see 4 re classed same mold figures of Dare Devil. Look at Star Wars. For series 5 we have a Lando coming out classed as a Bounty Hunter. Why? I never read or seen anything about him being a Bounty Hunter. And truthfully I really don't need anyone showing me anything about him being one. My point is that during the movies he wasn't and that is what most people relate to. So, you know what this is going to lead to? Seeing the exact same Lando being released as a Rebel. This is the point that I am making. If they made 2 same molded Landos, but both were Rebels, I would be fine. Making him BH and then potentially Rebel is goofy.
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Post by reallyniceguy on Oct 1, 2007 14:10:18 GMT -5
In addition to the classes you are describing I think the figure roster is stupid - Of course there can be a spider man class because there are 6 spidermans (maybe more) and they are having the same force blast spiderman back again in series 2. It is unoriginal. The series 2 roster is actually full of series one repaints. The marvel universe is not nearly as finite as Star Wars. thus there is no need for repaints of that calaber. The Hidden will never have any additions and lack any structure at all. they beefed up the Ghost rider set but did'nt have a Fantastic four set, (a set that only has ONE MEMBER) How many members should be in the fantastic 4? Four members. Thats it. Spiderman could be in the X-men cause he hung out with them, he hung out with Transformers too. The only repaint I wanted was black suit spiderman , but atleast that gives the customs something to keep. Where the hell is Iceman, and why do I need so many wolveriens? Daredevil/ Electra need put to bed, but they both come back in series 2 as repaints.
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Post by greyelephant on Oct 1, 2007 17:00:44 GMT -5
Maybe I am alone on this, but I am really looking forward to the 10 point, Spiderman classed, Daredevil. I have ideas, ohhhh how I have ideas. ;D
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