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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2007 2:39:02 GMT -5
In a game I was playing tonight, I was using a 100pt. team consisting of: Rodimus Landmine Minicon (x3) Skyblast (vehicle) Back-UpsSkyblast (robot) Minicon (x2) And my opponent ( Midnight Majick's Dad! ) had a bunch of figures that I can't really remember and an IG-88. Early in the game, I killed IG-88, but that move haunted me for the majority of the game. IG-88 took control of my Specialist, meaning Skyblast (vehicle). It took a while for me to defeat his Skyblast, but when I did, "Transform" came up white. So, my questions begin... 1. Would he, upon Skyblast (vehicle)'s defeat, return that figure to me, allowing him to Transform into robot mode under my control? 2. Or, would he then gain control of robot mode as well? Robot mode is no longer a Specialist, but a Warrior, so even though it's not the correct Attacktix Class, AND it would come out of my Back-Ups, it is just the Transformed version of the figure that was already "his". 3. Or, would neither happen, leaving an un-used Skyblast robot mode in my Back-Ups? We finished the game after deciding on option #1. Probably not the best choice, but at that point, it wasn't really a game changing call, because I had him terribly out-numbered. I'd like to know what you guys would choose.
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Post by Radar on Jun 16, 2007 3:02:34 GMT -5
#3 He controls the special on the figure, so he would get to put a figure into play from his back-ups...IF he had it.
Where this might get tricky is where does the defeated Skyblast go? Who gets to put him in their defeated pile?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2007 8:26:54 GMT -5
#3 He controls the special on the figure, so he would get to put a figure into play from his back-ups...IF he had it. Where this might get tricky is where does the defeated Skyblast go? Who gets to put him in their defeated pile? Yeah, the more I've thought of it, the more sense it made to NOT Transform. Skyblast (vehicle) was no longer mine, so his Special wouldn't benefit me. And, he would need to have a Skyblast in his own Back-Ups in order to utilize the Special Power. As for who's Defeated Pile he goes in.... That is tricky! IG-88's SP does say "for the rest of the game", so if there were figures on the field that could affect the Defeated Pile in anyway, I'd think he'd have to keep my Skyblast, even after it falls.
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Post by Jw18 on Jun 16, 2007 9:17:56 GMT -5
Skyblast would go into MMD's defeated area because for the rest of the game means until you finish the game. Also option 3 I think is the best choice for this because as Radar said it haas to be in his backups not yours.
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Post by ionicdesign on Jun 16, 2007 16:26:08 GMT -5
He was in control so the special was his.
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Post by dvandom on Jun 16, 2007 17:21:00 GMT -5
Yep. Vehicle Skyblast is his, but unless he has a Robot Skyblast in his own Back-Ups, it's just another case of a useless Special, like having SWvsTF Luke when you have no Leia in Back-Ups.
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Post by InvaderJes on Jun 17, 2007 0:34:05 GMT -5
I agree that #3 is probably the most legal choice. Normally. However in this situation (playing against your GF's Dad of all people) option #1 is clearly the best choice.
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Post by LarimusPrime on Jun 17, 2007 15:46:44 GMT -5
Good thing She didn't have a robot mode in her father's back-ups
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Post by Midnight Majick on Jun 18, 2007 19:35:59 GMT -5
I am so glad to see that everyone can agree. It was a good game for only his 3rd ever. We threw together a team of IG-88, Chewbacca, Tarkin, At-St driver, Biker scout, and a Stormtrooper. No back ups since no one could bring anyone in. So I guess if I was to use them again I would look at the opposing team to see if that could happen again.
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Post by superflytnt on Jun 18, 2007 23:19:43 GMT -5
I'll tell you what, guys and gals. I really underestimated IG-88 until a few weeks back. ConaChris, with his orange shorts of destiny, flung him at me with his first attack, killing him. The hole card was that if it had come up white, he'd have my Golden Ki-Adi-Mundi, who was sitting amidst a formation of my Jedi Knights and Obi Wans. If that had come up white, I'd have gotten my rear handed to me (well, worse than he did...).
So, I feel ya, Defender. Getting hosed by IG-88 sucks. ;D
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Post by Cona Chris on Jun 19, 2007 7:27:05 GMT -5
I'll tell you what, guys and gals. I really underestimated IG-88 until a few weeks back. ConaChris, with his orange shorts of destiny, flung him at me with his first attack, killing him. The hole card was that if it had come up white, he'd have my Golden Ki-Adi-Mundi, who was sitting amidst a formation of my Jedi Knights and Obi Wans. If that had come up white, I'd have gotten my rear handed to me (well, worse than he did...). So, I feel ya, Defender. Getting hosed by IG-88 sucks. ;D That would have been so cool if it had worked! Using Darth Maul (who has a higher percentage of being white) would be a good idea too, but he would just get to remove KAM from play (or any other Jedi)... I considered using Maul instead, but then I'd need a Leader in play (since that's what his special requires)...
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Post by webhead817 on Jun 20, 2007 6:18:13 GMT -5
This is a good question...because it touches on the whole "controller" versus "owner" subject that hasn't really been well defined yet. The "owner" of a figure in a game would be the person who started the game with that figure on their squad or in their back-ups, the "controller" would be the player currently controlling the figure...which would only change with powers and effects like Capture or Possess.
Anyway, if I'm reading it right, option 3 it is. However, my gut instinct is that defeated figures, after resolving, should go to the "owners" defeated area. IIRC, this is how that has always been handled in CCG's...and the reasoning is not so much an "in-game" one, but one of memory and logistics...does putting a figure you control but don't own in your defeated area make it more likely you will walk off with it on accident when the game is over? I'm thinking yes.
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Post by superflytnt on Jun 20, 2007 7:56:53 GMT -5
I disagree. The "Controller" is in control of the figure until the end of the game, so they should be the one who gets to use them in Rally situations. Further, why should it hurt the "owner" that had to kill his own "Owned" yet "Controlled By Opponent" figure when a Vanquish figure on the opposing team is Defeated?
True about the "oops, I stole your figure" issue, but then again, that's what the labels are for, and I truly doubt that after a figure is "Posessed" that you're going to forget about it.
The Rally factor has always been there, but Vanquish really puts the nail in the coffin - it would be a double jeopardy to have a player both lose the use of their figure, then be again penalized by being forced to regain control of their figure for the opponent to Vanquish and then Stand Up.
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Post by tbread on Jun 25, 2007 6:54:03 GMT -5
its juast having an enemy specialist in your team, skills like transform dont work unless theres a transformed version on your own backups, also, the other classes than s cant be controlled with the skill.
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Post by YodaBreaker on Jun 25, 2007 9:35:16 GMT -5
Anyway, if I'm reading it right, option 3 it is. However, my gut instinct is that defeated figures, after resolving, should go to the "owners" defeated area. IIRC, this is how that has always been handled in CCG's...and the reasoning is not so much an "in-game" one, but one of memory and logistics...does putting a figure you control but don't own in your defeated area make it more likely you will walk off with it on accident when the game is over? I'm thinking yes. Actually, from the S2 CD-ROM, it would appear that the Captured figure goes into its controller's defeated area, not the owner's: Man, how I miss those CD-ROMs. I think the memory issue is more significant in the CCG arena, where all playing pieces have exactly the same shape, though I don't have any data onhand that would speak to such an issue. Nevertheless, I could probably put together a research proposal to test this theory. I'm not sure where it'd be publishable, but it'd be darn fun to try
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