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Post by attacktixman on Jan 12, 2008 3:01:21 GMT -5
Ok, folks, we're probably about a month away from retailers throughout the country getting DC Fighting Figures on their shelves based on a sighting at a TRU in Illinois. So let's get busy on coming up with [glow=red,2,300]DC Class[/glow] groupings and hopefully artwork for the symbols! Here's our humble suggestions just to get things started. Feel free to criticize, add to, change, say it stinks, etc.. And whoever steps up and makes the Class symbols will be da man! Gotham Knights- Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Cat Woman, *Two-Face JLA- Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, Superman, Batman Arkham Inmates/Gotham Villians - Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, ScareCrow, Harlequin, Cat Woman Injustice League/Gang - Darkseid, Lex Luthor, Scarecrow, Joker, Penguin, **Two-Face Team Joker - Joker, Harlequin Revenge Squad - Lex Luthor, Darkseid *Two-Face may fit here because of his split personality and helping Batman in the past. **He may not fit well here, no real IJL relation. The above was made keeping in mind that some figs have more than one sculpt and based upon what looks likely to be released. There are a few gaps for sure. And I hope they still come out with Aquaman and Riddler later on (based on picture's that have been shown). Anyway, we'll soon need to be refining things and come up with a committee, but I just wanted to keep the ball rolling..... ;D P.S. We could almost have had a Super Man Class if they had just come out with Super Woman, Super Girl &/or Super Boy. And a No Super Man (better name please) if they had come out with let's say Doomsday, Metallo &/ or Bizarro (add Luthor). Oh well, maybe in Wave 3 or 4. modified 1/13/08 8:03 pm MST, let's keep going, more input please! The nice thing about this is even with some characters having more than one sculpt and different types of attacks, we can still take characters who have only one sculpt and assign them to different classes, example: Lex Luthor.
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Post by Radar on Jan 12, 2008 8:35:45 GMT -5
No Bat Class, DC Villians Class, and Superman Class are all reasonable names, but I will submit: Gotham Villians and Krypton Class. I'm not a huge DC fan as of yet, but those are my 2 cents.
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Post by grievous on Jan 12, 2008 9:03:39 GMT -5
As a Vs. System (DC/Marvel TCG) geek, I'll go ahead and throw my hat in for what that game would call each of these characters.
JLA - Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, Superman Gotham Knights - Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Catwoman (Preferably dual-affiliated with the following) Arkham Inmates - Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, Scarecrow, Harley Quinn, Catwoman (Preferably dual-affiliated with the above) Secret Society/Revenge Squad (either name works since they were both in both) - Lex Luthor, Darkseid
If we want a Superman class, I'd go with Team Superman which would allow them to grab some non-Kryptonian characters like the Supermen of America or Lois Lane (if they wanted to for some strange reason). While its not a great name, it does have precedence due to Vs. System using it.
That "No Superman" team would make me lean more heavily on calling the mini-"Luthor/Darkseid" team Revenge Squad since Metallo, Doomsday, and Bizarro were all a part of that group in Vs. as well. I believe "Revenge Squad" is actually what they call the entire overarching group of Superman villains but I'm not entirely sure if that's what they're going for or something else.
That's all I've got/you need at the moment...
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Post by ionicdesign on Jan 12, 2008 10:39:18 GMT -5
Well you could always use the Legion of Doom for the Baddies.
Another faction that could fit in there is the Birds of Prey I think it was, but only Batgirl would fit in there right now from what has been made.
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Post by grievous on Jan 12, 2008 12:23:40 GMT -5
For the faction symbols, I'd go with the Batman logo for the Gotham Knights since they're basically just Batman plus his allies, much like Spider-Friends is Spider-Man and his allies. JLA should have the basic logo. The villains are kinda difficult. There really isn't any precedence set by either Vs. System or Heroclix for villainous logos (the former not using any and the latter using reverse colored versions of Batman or Superman depending on which set of villains you're using). In those cases, you could pull a "Sinister Syndicate" and do a "no" symbol through it. Arkham Inmate could possibly use something resembling a set of gates to represent entering the asylum or perhaps a silhouette version of the asylum itself. LoD/Revenge Squad is really difficult. Maybe Luthor's shiny chrome dome? I dunno. If you're going to go for an overarching "DC Heroes" then the DC logo would probably work but I personally don't like that faction idea since its such a huge overarching group, like doing "Marvel Heroes" rather than Avengers/Spider-Man/etc.
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Post by ionicdesign on Jan 12, 2008 13:32:08 GMT -5
Well for the Legion of Doom I would think an Icon of the Hall of Doom would be a good fit. I drew this one up in a few minutes, and would be happy to share it: and it would look like this then on a label: PS: I also have most of the prominent members of the JLA member logos draw up in a nice vector format if anybody needs those as well: Superman, Batman, WonderWoman, Green Lantern, Nightwing, Batgirl, etc. A pair of ideas for Arkham Inmates/Gotham Villians: Just some ideas . I'm kind of surprised there isn't more direct iconography for some of this already established, interesting. A Revenge Squad specific icon could look something like this:
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Post by attacktixman on Jan 12, 2008 23:16:47 GMT -5
Ionic, you just blew me away!!!!!
I'm so excited that I can't wait to get my hands on the Fighting Figs!!
The Revenge Squad icon really got my heart pumpin'!
And now that I've seen your Joker icon , I'd also like to suggest a Joker Class - sort of a sub group of the Arkham Inmates - we already have Joker and Harley, just need Joker goons. Who were those two very large Goons in Clown Suits on the animated Batman series? Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum? Probably could make Punisher into them. Even a very plain goon would make for what I see as needed 10 pt. figures. Sorry, I'm getting way ahead of myself, suppose to be limiting ourselves to the actual DC figs.
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Post by Radar on Jan 13, 2008 3:24:35 GMT -5
I noticed we have Cat Woman listed as both DC Knights and Gotham Nights, wasn't she a "bad" character that fought against those groups? I'm going off the movies, maybe the comics are different.
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Post by grievous on Jan 13, 2008 8:54:16 GMT -5
First, that Revenge Squad emblem is beautiful. May I ask where you got the inspiration? There's a Vs. card that looks JUST like it...
Second, while I know nothing about the "DC Knights" team that is up there, Catwoman has switched sides and joined Batman so many times that it isn't funny. The most recent that I personally have read was during the Hush series (go read it, like, now) but I'm certain of it happening many other times. She was also in the Birds of Prey (Oracle/Batgirl's female vigilante team) for awhile so... yeah. Catwoman definitely fits into the Gotham Knights, at least.
Third, on the DC Knights note, do we need that team? Just thinking but it looks an awful lot like the JLA plus Catwoman and sorta seems like a waste. Just thinking aloud...
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Post by attacktixman on Jan 13, 2008 10:45:11 GMT -5
No, we don't need that team really, you are right, just put Batman on JLA and everything is cool beans.
Here's where I am weak (and really only for future consideration), is there really any - "good guys/ go it alone types" - who wouldn't fit on JLA and maybe come under DC Knights?
modified 9:00 am
Ok, I'm already missing the DC Knights. Kinda the equivalent of the Marvel Knights in theory. And now the baddies have 4 Classes and the good guys two. Anyway we're very much in the suggestion stage still.
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Post by ionicdesign on Jan 13, 2008 11:02:02 GMT -5
First, that Revenge Squad emblem is beautiful. May I ask where you got the inspiration? There's a Vs. card that looks JUST like it... It turned out better than I thought. I'm not familiar with VS. The inspiration was from what I can remember in the JLA Animated series episode Hereafter where the Revenge Squad is formed that they all swore on a dagger of some sort and I think they stabbed the emblem before swearing an oath, but I could be wrong, I'd have to pull it off the shelf and check. No, we don't need that team really, you are right, just put Batman on JLA and everything is cool beans. Here's where I am weak (and really only for future consideration), is there really any - "good guys/ go it alone types" - who wouldn't fit on JLA and maybe come under DC Knights? I think I'd agree that the JL could cover it. A good Catwoman could just be part of the Batman Faction. Admittedly I'm not as versed with DC as Marvel, but it seems that unlike Marvel just about anyone who is anyone has spent at least one comic in the JLA or JS who is a good guy. Glad the icons are liked, I can make them available for use if wanted so they print nicely.
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Post by grievous on Jan 13, 2008 11:41:05 GMT -5
First, that Revenge Squad emblem is beautiful. May I ask where you got the inspiration? There's a Vs. card that looks JUST like it... It turned out better than I thought. I'm not familiar with VS. The inspiration was from what I can remember in the JLA Animated series episode Hereafter where the Revenge Squad is formed that they all swore on a dagger of some sort and I think they stabbed the emblem before swearing an oath, but I could be wrong, I'd have to pull it off the shelf and check. Interesting. The card I'm referring to can be seen here. That one has multiple daggers but the idea is the same. No, we don't need that team really, you are right, just put Batman on JLA and everything is cool beans. Here's where I am weak (and really only for future consideration), is there really any - "good guys/ go it alone types" - who wouldn't fit on JLA and maybe come under DC Knights? modified 9:00 am Ok, I'm already missing the DC Knights. Kinda the equivalent of the Marvel Knights in theory. And know the baddies have 4 Classes and the good guys two. Anyway we'e very much in the suggestion stage still. Ah. Somehow my brain didn't click DC Knights and Marvel Knights together. Personally, I can't think of any major "vigilante" sorts that don't fit into any current classes or are likely to be made into actual figures. If the need arises in the future to add another team, then we could always come up with something.
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Post by ionicdesign on Jan 13, 2008 12:01:12 GMT -5
The primary teams have always really been: 1. the Justice League or a version thereof 2. The Legion of SuperHeroes (from the future) 3. Teen Titians. Smaller groups include: Doom Patrol, Green Lantern Corps, Metal Men, Young Justice, etc. I'm not familiar with a direct parallel with the Marvel Knights group for DC (which isn't to say there isn't one, just that I cannot think of it). The clip from Hereafter can be seen here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp-YUCYm74cMe thinks that the VS card came from that. So it is all connected in the end.
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Post by attacktixman on Jan 13, 2008 13:01:12 GMT -5
You guys so rock!!! This is coming together very nicely!! Thanks for everyone's input!
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Post by grievous on Jan 13, 2008 15:20:26 GMT -5
Okay, I just got done doing some research and it's time for me to be nitpicky. The current Legion of Doom. Its line-up is a just a bit screwy. Joker showed up exactly once in the entire Super-Friends run and it wasn't as part of the LoD. Harley Quinn didn't even exist at that point in time. Two-Face was never in the Legion either. Lastly, Darkseid only showed up in the LoD when they accidentally summoned him and then he just blasted the snot out of all of them. He at least has good ties to the Legion so I'd keep him. So, what's my point? It is that, sadly, the Legion of Doom (which ionicdesign did an excellent job on the symbol for) only has arguably three members (if you count Darkseid) and not the six listed. Doesn't mean we can't fix it up later (Catwoman = Cheetah repaint?) but the current roster is definitely on the large side. For the "The Joker" team, I believe it could be argued that The Penguin can be added in to that. I'm pretty sure he is seen in cahoots with Joker during the "Hush Returns" storyline. It's a weak tie but it could help fill out the team. If you REALLY want another heroes team, you could always go with the Birds of Prey that have been mentioned in passing. All we have right now is Catwoman and Batgirl so, at the moment, they're really just a subset of the Gotham Knights but they have potential to grow in the future if characters like Huntress or Black Canary are produced. They also have a logo that can be seen on this necklace from the television program. Finally, and this has no repercussions whatsoever but is simply an observation based on my recent reading of the "52" comic series, I find amusing that the Superman "S" in ionic's logo is upside down which is Kryptonian for "resurrection". Like I said, not at all a bad thing but just an amusing observation...
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