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Post by superflytnt on Jun 13, 2007 23:57:12 GMT -5
1. Transform means that a figure that is knocked down goes to the defeated pile, and the figure called from backups goes into play ON THE STARTING LINE.
2. Transform means that a figure that is knocked down GOES INTO BACKUPS, and the figure called from backups goes into play WHERE THE TRANSFORMING FIGURE DIED.
3. Transform means that a figure that is knocked down GOES INTO BACKUPS, provided that the player has provided enough space in their initial choice of backups to allow that figures value into backups without exceeding the original maximum point value of the backups (V/2). Figure called from backups goes into play WHERE THE TRANSFORMING FIGURE DIED.
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Post by ladybritannia on Jun 14, 2007 0:44:59 GMT -5
I voted for #2, it makes the transformers more viable and it keeps me in the game much longer against Michael (Ionic Design). Sometimes I even beat him
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Post by Radar on Jun 14, 2007 1:12:09 GMT -5
Part of me really likes #3, but I'm hesitant because that does not seem like a "kid friendly" rule and there is no reason for the restriction. There are still not unlimited backups and players can play a standard game and have more than 100 points on their team (30 point Super Optimus Prime vehicle mode "Transforms" into 40 Super Optimus Prime robot mode). So, if we don't put a cap on the regular team, why do it on the back-ups?
So, I really think #2 is the best option.
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Post by malform on Jun 14, 2007 6:13:50 GMT -5
I like #2 and #3... I really dont see the point in worrying so dang much about how many points are in backups, its insane. As long as everyone starts out with the same amount of points, who cares?
If I start out with 20 points in back ups, but Im able to bring in an insecticon (down to 10), then I get a transform for megatron, is it alright to add him into backups now that I have the "room"?
Just seems like allot of fuss over nothing. The chance of the robot form bringing back in the vehicle form are so low its not really going to make a difference anyway. Its just that I feel putting the transformed figure into backups MUCH better represents the core characteristic of what a transformer is. And no matter how small the probability is, there should be the possibility of transforming back and forth.
I voted #2... Although if the nit pickers must have their backup points tallied nice and neat I would have no problem with going the #3 route.
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Post by superflytnt on Jun 14, 2007 8:20:53 GMT -5
I would have voted for #2, gosh darnit, because of that darned nosy Radar. That rat always has to butt in and make such excellent points that it truly bugs me ;D
If there are no restrictions AFTER THE FACT on the game proper, regarding the points in play at any time (100 pt game, BD gets killed, brings in 2 BDs, well now you have 110 points in...I can list numerous others, now that would have the same effect.), then why not be allowed to swap in between backups. Furthermore, after speaking with several highly esteemed and trusted friends here, Malform isn't the only one doing this, so perhaps he's not the 'crazy old wizard' that some first thought!
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Post by imvader3 on Jun 14, 2007 8:29:09 GMT -5
I always did the 1st,but I never acually thought of 2 or 3 before...I voted for 2
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Post by mhfplayer on Jun 14, 2007 8:34:17 GMT -5
#1...
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Post by ionicdesign on Jun 14, 2007 9:52:24 GMT -5
I voted for three before the arguments that followed, well reasoned. I'd probably go with two now, but one of those for sure.
Some good points malform, and the ratios do tend to that, unless you play my wife, who (while playing that way) regularly goes back and forth with Skyblast 4-6 time before finally staying down. She Likes her prodders and is hard to get rid of with that one.
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Post by YodaBreaker on Jun 14, 2007 9:52:53 GMT -5
1. Given that the special power wording already mentions pulling from "Back-Ups", the fact that it says nothing about placing the defeated figure into "Back-Ups" is telling.
Plus, rewriting this rule seems like a bad precedent for an extremely loose reinterpretation of the entire ruleset.
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Post by ian on Jun 14, 2007 9:54:43 GMT -5
...or not telling as the case may be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2007 10:22:41 GMT -5
1. Given that the special power wording already mentions pulling from "Back-Ups", the fact that it says nothing about placing the defeated figure into "Back-Ups" is telling. Plus, rewriting this rule seems like a bad precedent for an extremely loose reinterpretation of the entire ruleset. The figure's text does not actually say " Transform: If White, Put Super Optimus Prime into play from your Back-Ups AND put this figure into your Back-Ups, so it should not be done. No other figure's say whether you put them into Defeated Pile or Back-Ups after using their special. It's just assumed that everyone shoud know that once a figure falls, it's sent to the Defeated Pile. Anyone voting for 2+3 is putting words into the figures "mouth", so to speak, and I think it's it's wrong. I'm all for giving the Transformers more power, but NOT at the cost of changing the vital ground rules that are the basic gameplay of Attacktix. We can argue until we're blue in the face about what each Power means individually, but one thing that should not be tampered with are the basic rules for gameplay. Defeated figures, unless their SP specifically states otherwise, are to be sent to the Defeated Pile. And that's where I firmly stand. Period.
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Post by Cona Chris on Jun 14, 2007 12:22:29 GMT -5
I pretty much echo Defender of New Paradron's thread above...
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Post by Jw18 on Jun 14, 2007 12:26:04 GMT -5
I think No.2 should be the best way to put it, but no.3 also looks nice.
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Post by Ataru on Jun 14, 2007 12:46:38 GMT -5
I'm going with #1. As YodaBreaker said, the bases of transforming TFs say nothing about Back-Ups. I would argue, however, that Transform should be an SP exclusive to TF, and thus you put the figure recruited in the spot that the figure doing the recruiting was defeated.
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Post by superflytnt on Jun 14, 2007 12:49:58 GMT -5
That was the intent, and good looking out - I forgot that, but it's been amended. I think everyone knew that it was a Recruit/Recover intent.
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