Megazarak
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Post by Megazarak on Sept 30, 2007 19:13:29 GMT -5
Currently, Star Wars is fine, Marvel can't be either but Transformers is completely disorganized. When I bought some packs I found today I suddenly remembered how weird the Transformers set was. I don't mind Hasbro putting Energon and Cybertron together but I think it'd be better if they were either separate or just make one of them. TF S1 should have just been Cybertron (of course it coul've been Energon but Cybertron wa current) in my opinion because they missed out on a lot of cool and important characters of the series such as the holders of the Cyber Planet keys. Evac could've been a cool striker or shooter, Metroplex could've been a nice striker and so on. I think it'd be better, what about you guys?
AND I don't think that Vector Prime even shot once in the show so he definately should've been a striker. Also, why wasn't Leobreaker or Savage Claw Optimus in the set? They could've both been strikers. So many strikers in TF, so little in Attacktix.
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Post by Whiz Kid on Sept 30, 2007 21:57:01 GMT -5
I think that much like Star Wars tends to be, the TF waves should be something of a 50/50 split between two incarnations; one of them likely being the current series. With many well-loved lines to choose from (just here in the US, we have G1, Beast Wars/Machines, Robots in Disguise, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, to run down the "core" brandings), there's really no reason to make any wave of TF 'tix exclusive to one type. I know that I, for example, am only peripherally interested in getting more Energon characters, but if you make half the set Beast Wars... just TRY and stop me from getting the entire set!
That leads to my second opinion, which more or less jibes with yours: Putting Cybertron/Energon into one wave is just silly. I'm a big fanboy, and even I have trouble telling what goes where. I think keeping things clearly defined (this is where multiple faction symbols come in!) is imperative. It's also important to extending the life of the line and encouraging sales. If Joe Fanboy can only cares about the Armada/Energon/Cybertron era, what keeps him interested if there's a Beast Wars/Machines wave? The G1 purists may get into the game to get those figures, but skip a wave if there's nothing to interest them. However, in crossing the brands, you end up with every buying up packs to get the characters they want from the brand they like. Maybe they'll trade off the others, maybe they'll get into the game and get everything just because it's a game piece (this is where I stand), but the point is that the sale has been made, and the future of the line ensured.
This is why I applaud S2, but at the same time don't think it goes far enough. Great job bringing in G1, but a little differentiation between the brands (like different faction symbols) and a more even split (4 G1 booster characters? That's it?) would have been nice. I agree that TF also needs more character selection and more variety in function to be competitive. I bought a nice little cart to store my 'tix in the other day, and as I gathered up all the missiles, it struck me as odd that while I possess maybe 20% of SW and most of Marvel, I could see missiles of every size and shape: small, medium, forceblasts, pumpkin bombs, energy bolts, thrown objects... but TF S1 has a dozen or so small missiles, half a dozen force blasts, 1 medium missile (Starscream), and Dirtboss' fork of doom. In strikers, Marvel has them in every size and shape, Star Wars I've only begun to see the depth of, and Transformers... they get a few prodders, Scorponok, and Ravage's less-than-perfect flail.
I think they're trying, but Hasbro seems to be putting all the real effort into the licenses, leaving the house brand to get the scraps and leftovers. Hopefully this will pick up a bit after the hiatus, and hey, maybe we'll finally get those GI Joe 'tix everyone's been pining after!
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Post by malform on Oct 1, 2007 7:26:25 GMT -5
Great job bringing in G1, but a little differentiation between the brands (like different faction symbols) and a more even split (4 G1 booster characters? That's it?) would have been nice. First of all... There are 6 proposed G1 characters in the TF2 lineup..... And out of the 4 starter figures only 2 of them are G1. What kind of symbol variation would you propose? G1 and armada autobots use the same symbols... In fact, Im pretty sure (I havent watched all the different shows) that as long as they go by "autobots" they always use the same symbol.... The only time its different is if they go by something else, like maximals (Beast Wars/Beast Machines).
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Post by superflytnt on Oct 1, 2007 7:53:00 GMT -5
I think that Hasbro learned that if you have a LOT of strikers, the game tends to be more striker-centric, which is a bad thing. So, I think that they decided (I mean ReALLY decided, thoughtfully) that they needed to make one line more Shooter-centric. This allows for different strategy, and different tactics.
Come to think of it, if you don't like the fact that TF has few strikers (and none Autobot) why not just play with a couple of S2 Starter Obi Wans surrounded by Minicons and a few 30 point TFs?
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Post by ionicdesign on Oct 1, 2007 9:12:04 GMT -5
Well there is defiantly less Striker/shooter balance in TF, I'm not sure that is all that bad, but there should have been at least one traditional strikers in the Autobots. An energon Axe prime would be a fun one not out there right now. and Ravage's less-than-perfect flail. I may be in the minority, but I'm quite fond of Ravage (though I can't figure why it is coloured differently than he was in the shows). I often use him to play cricket with my opponent and fling figures into formations and others, getting multiple kills. I'm not all that bothered with having series intermixed, but would be nice if they actually come out with some of the G1 figures that garnered so much attention when teased. Some Beast Wars figures would also be interesting, I sort of missed that series when getting my Batchelors (didn't watch much if any tv at the time) but some in the mix would be fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2007 10:21:48 GMT -5
and Ravage's less-than-perfect flail. I may be in the minority, but I'm quite fond of Ravage (though I can't figure why it is coloured differently than he was in the shows). I often use him to play cricket with my opponent and fling figures into formations and others, getting multiple kills. Then I'm part of that same minority, because I LOVE Battle Ravage! ;D Most people who aren't skilled with that figure would call him useless, but he's definitely a force to be reckoned with when in the right hands. He was actually part of my main TixCon team, and I didn't do too awful bad..... Besides getting creamed by Annointed1 and his squad of Optimus'.
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Post by autobot1000 on Oct 1, 2007 13:44:16 GMT -5
I think that much like Star Wars tends to be, the TF waves should be something of a 50/50 split between two incarnations; one of them likely being the current series. With many well-loved lines to choose from (just here in the US, we have G1, Beast Wars/Machines, Robots in Disguise, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, to run down the "core" brandings), there's really no reason to make any wave of TF 'tix exclusive to one type. I know that I, for example, am only peripherally interested in getting more Energon characters, but if you make half the set Beast Wars... just TRY and stop me from getting the entire set! it made sense to have characters from different series with a range like transformer because not all transformer fans like some series. With a mix between all series it caters to all fans, not just fans from one particular series example...You buy the marvel line starter if your a spiderman fan and dont bother with the boossters unless your trying to collect the villians the only problem is that they catered to only two lines of fans. If they wanted to mix it up they should have added different TF Generations to S1, thiough they are sorting that now with S2.... (though it is taking a long time to get...especially in the UK...Yes i know your sick of me complaining that UK fans are picked on by later release dates but its true...end rant)
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Whiz Kid
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Post by Whiz Kid on Oct 1, 2007 17:32:06 GMT -5
Great job bringing in G1, but a little differentiation between the brands (like different faction symbols) and a more even split (4 G1 booster characters? That's it?) would have been nice. First of all... There are 6 proposed G1 characters in the TF2 lineup..... And out of the 4 starter figures only 2 of them are G1. Bumblebee, Grimlock, Soundwave, Prowl... what two did I miss? Optimus and Megs are in the starter set, and I specifically said booster. At no point did I mention starter sets; they aren't relevant to the point I was trying to make. That point is that they are broadening out into the various TF franchises, but only 4 G1 characters in the boosters isn't going to keep the G1 purists interested for too long. Make it half the wave (knocking out some of the ridiculous repaints, I would hope), and you'd have something that would stand on it's own a bit better. This is true. My qualm isn't that the symbols are inaccurate, but that having a single Autobot faction to cover 5 "core" TF cartoon series (and the movie/followups) that Autobots appear in severely limits the possibilities. SW and Marvel have nearly a dozen factions each, and TF has two. Even adding Maximals and Predacons into the mix (whenever that happens), we're still falling WAY short. Even sadder is that there IS an existing faction symbol for Minicons, but by just making a single character called "Minicon" and issuing it for both sides, Hasbro missed the boat on that one. I see no problem in having (for example) two different symbols for Autobots and Decepticons- one for G1, and one for the Armada/Energon/Cybertron era, since it is effectively a trilogy. I think that the movie (and movie followup) figures should get a third symbol. It doesn't have to be anything epic; maybe have the standard "face" symbol, but delineate the era by placing a colored circle behind it. The side benefit is that while technically the 'bots and 'cons would have multiple factions, those who didn't care could ignore them and just go by the "face". Personally, I'd prefer even more of a breakdown so that when we (god-willing) hit S5 of the Transformers, I won't need to break out guidebooks just to find out if I'm mixing the different lines up. If my buddies and I wanted to do a Energon vs. Cybertron battle, we'd probably have to hit some ID sites just to figure out what belonged where. Many of the designs are similar or just repainted between the lines (as we're already seeing in S1/S2), so it could become a major chore down the line. However, I can see where that may just be nitpicking. This is mostly musing and opinion. I'm a big fan of organizational structure, and I think that putting the organization of the TF brand on par with the others can only help. I think it's going to get silly down the road when we have Obi-Wans and Spider-Men on 4-5 different factions, but all Optimi get the same symbol, despite most of them being different characters entirely. Your mileage may vary. I may be in the minority, but I'm quite fond of Ravage (though I can't figure why it is coloured differently than he was in the shows). I often use him to play cricket with my opponent and fling figures into formations and others, getting multiple kills. Then I'm part of that same minority, because I LOVE Battle Ravage! ;D Most people who aren't skilled with that figure would call him useless, but he's definitely a force to be reckoned with when in the right hands. He was actually part of my main TixCon team, and I didn't do too awful bad..... Besides getting creamed by Annointed1 and his squad of Optimus'. "Less-than-perfect" may have been a bit harsh. He is definitely one of those "learning curve" figures, though, just like the throwers. In a game full of "point and shoot"-type strategy, I think the creative ones tend to suffer because most players don't like spending the time to master them. It doesn't make them bad, they just tend not to shine as brightly to the average player (or, in my case, the n00b). Give it time...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2007 23:37:34 GMT -5
First of all... There are 6 proposed G1 characters in the TF2 lineup..... And out of the 4 starter figures only 2 of them are G1. Bumblebee, Grimlock, Soundwave, Prowl... what two did I miss? Optimus and Megs are in the starter set, and I specifically said booster. At no point did I mention starter sets; they aren't relevant to the point I was trying to make. That point is that they are broadening out into the various TF franchises, but only 4 G1 characters in the boosters isn't going to keep the G1 purists interested for too long. Make it half the wave (knocking out some of the ridiculous repaints, I would hope), and you'd have something that would stand on it's own a bit better. Here's some more faction ideas: G2 Autobots G2 Decepticons In Robots In Disguise, the Decepticons used this "Anti-Autobot" symbol ...And I think it's also important to remember that a real G1 purist wouldn't touch this game with a 39 and a half foot pole. Those guys are stubborn!
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Post by Whiz Kid on Oct 2, 2007 14:30:10 GMT -5
Well, since most of G2 (or at least most of it worth noting) was repaints/reissues of G1, and I was trying to stick to cartoons (the G2 toon was just a repackaged G1), I figured that there really wasn't anything worth playing with in there.
As for the RiD Decepticons... In Japan the upside-down G2 symbol was most certainly utilized. Here in the US it was sometimes replaced with the more common G1-style symbol, sometimes not. My impression has always been that both could be defaulted to as a result, so sure, if they ever get around to RiD, that could work.
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Post by malform on Oct 3, 2007 14:45:36 GMT -5
...And I think it's also important to remember that a real G1 purist wouldn't touch this game with a 39 and a half foot pole. Those guys are stubborn! Hmm... What about a 40 foot pole? ;D I like your symbol suggestions.. But wouldnt having 2 different autobot symbols cause confusion? I would think it best to leave it at one, and only make newer factions that could in turn have new symbols. Like maximals... It would be seriously cool to have some maximals and predicons.
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Post by Whiz Kid on Oct 3, 2007 20:41:08 GMT -5
I like your symbol suggestions.. But wouldnt having 2 different autobot symbols cause confusion? I would think it best to leave it at one, and only make newer factions that could in turn have new symbols. Like maximals... It would be seriously cool to have some maximals and predicons. I think it would depend on how clear the distinction was. As I noted above, it's easily possible to divide the over 20 years of TFs, with the only real headache being choosing a few colors. Besides, what's the list like for TF factions? Autobot, Decepticon, Maximal (which has two symbols: Beast Wars and Beast Machines), Predacon, Vehicon, RiD Decepticon... that's about it. G2 symbols don't serve much of a point, and as I pointed out, there IS a Minicon symbol that Hasbro ignored. That's a grand total of 7 possible factions for the TFs. Marvel started with 10, and Star Wars began with 7 and is now up to 11! The plain and simple fact here is that without any sort of division among the generations of TFs, they get shafted. It just seems really silly to me to eventually (I hope!) end up with 6 different Optimus Prime figures from 6 different incarnations of the character, and every last one of them is a part of the exact same team. Honestly, while it can be fun to do a little team-up action, the game is designed to divide the characters into factions, not lump them all together under an umbrella. If we reverse the concept for a moment, what kind of backhanded comments would we be making if every Obi-Wan was on the Rebels? It wouldn't make a bit of sense, and we'd expect Hasbro to do something about it. I'm not honestly expecting them to change things now, but it would have been nice to see them do something about it to begin with. This is a lack of foresight, plain and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 23:38:55 GMT -5
With foresight in mind, it may have been better for the Cybertron characters to be divided into factions based on their planet. Earth, Speed, Jungle, and Giant. ...But of course, that would only cause more confusion since you'd have Autobots and Decepticons intermingling in those groups. Probably best that it was done as it was. I'd be happy if we only ever see the factions expand to Maximal/Predacon. Though this Quintesson insignia I found would make a nice addition also. Go here to find a comprehensive list of all known factions and their insignias. There are some particularly cool ones out of the bunch, such as the TransTech symbols (bottom of page), which I've always thought looked awesome.
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Post by Whiz Kid on Oct 4, 2007 3:22:13 GMT -5
I still think a simple colored circle would do the job, not be terribly confusing, and those who didn't care to get that deep could just ignore them and go by the "face". Everybody wins. However, I seem to be in the minority here. Ah well. I suppose that given my history of making threads and posts about factions over in Marvel, it was to be expected that I'd be passionate about fixing something that wasn't a problem to anyone but myself.
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Post by superflytnt on Oct 4, 2007 15:49:31 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I'm quite fond of Ravage (though I can't figure why it is coloured differently than he was in the shows). I often use him to play cricket with my opponent and fling figures into formations and others, getting multiple kills. Then I'm part of that same minority, because I LOVE Battle Ravage! ;D Most people who aren't skilled with that figure would call him useless, but he's definitely a force to be reckoned with when in the right hands. He was actually part of my main TixCon team, and I didn't do too awful bad..... Besides getting creamed by Annointed1 and his squad of Optimus'. I remember someone else decimating you.....hmmm... I actually LOVE Ravage, not just for the strike, but because he brings back Destroyers. You just can't mess with that. <EDIT> Ionic was nice enough to illustrate my sheer stupidity (although privately). I actually meant SCOURGE, not Ravage. Ravage has the ball and chain, and I consider him a bloody muppet.
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