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Jul 15, 2008 23:06:06 GMT -5
Post by attacktixman on Jul 15, 2008 23:06:06 GMT -5
I still say the best bet is to get in touch with Hasbro and buy the figs direct by pooling our money together as a buying group. We could order 20-30 cases and they might take the order. If not, let's hit up the Chinese bootleggers and get them to make us 20-30 sets at deep discount prices. I know how to deal with Chinese outsource people and I think we could make this happen. These are actually not outlandish ideas at all! Pulsing Hasbro for a limited run or a distributor like Enterainment Earth (who would do an exclusive), although the chances are very small. But just how and where did Brett get an actual SW Series 5 Booster? This to me means if product went to final packaging that they didn't do just one! Maybe a small run, but there should be some cases "gathering dust" somewhere! Problem is, I don't think Hasbro wants to release Tix in the two per blind clamshell. So Webhead, please do tell! How do we hit up the Chinese Bootleggers? As much as I want the unreleased series, I can't afford to fly to Hong Kong! Would be fun to hit the pavement and search all the back alleys for bootlegged Tix though! Besides, the Chinese food should be good!
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Jul 16, 2008 0:02:22 GMT -5
Post by reallyniceguy on Jul 16, 2008 0:02:22 GMT -5
Ahh, I don't know enough about business in order to understand why Hasbro is not selling. Do they have to pay royalties on each figure? I heard that there are more figures in the UK/French area? I think it's time that you all convert to the newest craze.. Foamtactics. Defender is really into it, he already has his first character, they are pretty sweet.
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Jul 16, 2008 1:14:22 GMT -5
Post by Radar on Jul 16, 2008 1:14:22 GMT -5
I'm going to see some Hasbro folks in 8 days at the San Diego International Comic Book Convention. I'd be happy to submit a proposal to them in person if we can get one ready by then. I would consider it a pleasure to help get the ball rolling. Besides, I need to find a way to get my X-Men
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Jul 16, 2008 6:52:54 GMT -5
Post by greyelephant on Jul 16, 2008 6:52:54 GMT -5
Sign me up. I have no problem with adding monetary backing as long as I can see a solution. If there are indeed some boosters or starters with TF-X sitting around in some warehouse, then I'd like to know and purchase them. Posted by Radar on Today at 2:14am I'm going to see some Hasbro folks in 8 days at the San Diego International Comic Book Convention. I'd be happy to submit a proposal to them in person if we can get one ready by then. I would consider it a pleasure to help get the ball rolling. Besides, I need to find a way to get my X-Men |
You'll have to tackle Brian Wilk once for me for making me wait so long. LOL! I was wondering if you were going to attend again this year and was hoping that you might bump into him again. Would be nice to get an update on what's going on in Hasbro's office. I'd love to see them released on the 26th along with all the other merchandise. If not then I would shoot for October when all the other merchandise is being released. Either way, I can wait as long as I can see a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Jul 16, 2008 10:28:21 GMT -5
Post by sfx5000 on Jul 16, 2008 10:28:21 GMT -5
I'm 100% down with any and all of these ideas. Perhaps not the black market idea (wouldn't want to bite the hand that [used to] feed us).
- Entertainment Earth Exclusives - Hasbro Toy Shop Exclusives - Star Wars Shop Exclusives - Convention Exclusives - Just send SW series 5 figures to my house please Exclusives - Soul of my first born for new figures Exclusives
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Jul 16, 2008 11:31:50 GMT -5
Post by darthjarjar on Jul 16, 2008 11:31:50 GMT -5
First born child souls!? Cool! I've got three kids souls to trade for clickies. Plus my own soul , it is a little warn and has a stain or 12 but I gotta get at least a Lando out of it.
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Jul 16, 2008 11:58:57 GMT -5
Post by attacktixman on Jul 16, 2008 11:58:57 GMT -5
Well. I seriously doubt that Hasbro would now make a Limited Production run as an exclusive or what have you. (The cost of doing so is prohibitive).
However, if there is finished product out there sitting in a warehouse, they just might be coaxed into releasing that.
Heck, I'd sit in a warehouse all day and night cutting open clamshells and re-packaging them into clear "exclusive" sets. ;D
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Jul 16, 2008 12:22:28 GMT -5
Post by Radar on Jul 16, 2008 12:22:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm going to see Brian Wilk at the Comic Con...assuming he is there. But he has been there at least the last three years, so I would suspect he will be there again.
After reading "Toy Wars: the Epic Struggle between GI Joe, Barbie, and the Companies who make them" I have some doubts that Hasbro will release a set like that. I'm reminded of Hasbro's internal struggle with GI Joe. The make GI Joe, it's profitable, peoples livelihood rests on it, they begin to trust it, they like it. But when GI Joe stops making as much money as other product they are selling, they used to continue selling GI Joe, even until they were taking losses. Investors were very upset that Hasbro was more sentimental about their own product than money. From the experience (and more like it) Hasbro has taken a more financially conservative approach to their own products trying to guarantee the best success rate of the product with the ultimate goal of increasing profits to support the investors who are part owners of the company while continuing to engage in philanthropic gestures such as the Hasbro Children's Hospital.
All that to say...I think pre-sale might be a better way to go. If we can convince Hasbro that the money is there, and the factories are available to do the work (I don't believe there are warehouses with product sitting), I think it might be feasible.
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Jul 16, 2008 13:10:55 GMT -5
Post by attacktixman on Jul 16, 2008 13:10:55 GMT -5
If Mr. Wilk isn't there, you know what that means. Pre-sell, nice idea. But what indicators are there that enough sales might be there to even make a pre-sell effort? How many signed the save Attacktix petition? Thousands and thousands would be needed for the 'bro to even blink. And whatever other market analysis they would do. Let's face it, the Profit/Loss margin is what made Hasbro pull the rug out from under Tix (on the advice of some bean counter accountants I'm sure). Obviously, there is some finished product out there, how else to explain a factory Lando Calrissian and Gamorrean Guard that Webhead got out of a booster? (confirmation of this would be nice). The question is how much finished product. It all depends where they were in Production when the word came down to halt Production. A certain number of SW Series 5 starter sets , MV Series 2 starter sets and TF Series 2 starter sets made it all the way to packaging and to online sellers but not to normal retail stores. It is certainly possible that the booster figures were at some point in production, maybe not even packaged yet or maybe not even made yet, who knows. So the "pressure" is on you Radar, pulse everyone from Hasbro that you can about Tix. My bet is that Mr. Wilk won't be there. While you are there, please ask the Mattel guys about the second wave of DC Fightin' Figs, which I'm pretty sure we won't see either. Thanks!
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Jul 16, 2008 14:41:28 GMT -5
Post by greyelephant on Jul 16, 2008 14:41:28 GMT -5
Honestly, I think we'll see them again. They possibly stopped production due to concern of the clam shell is what I believe. If you can't see product you typically don't buy product. Mr. Wilk said that they wish to "clean up" the stores before releasing anything new. That tells me they are going a different direction on packaging, price, and display. They also need to try and convince stores to carry them.
Mark my words that if Attacktix are to thrive they need to be seen and felt through blister packs by kids. They want to market to kids right? I've not known too many kids who buy something or ask for something they can't see.
Give me a 2 pack galactic heroes style pack and sell it for around $7.00 and I'll buy everyone of them on the shelf on my first trip. I'll buy 2-3 super rares even if the rare isn't especially good. I know some of you guys like the "surprise" element of Attacktix, but it's bad business for a company that wishes to appeal to children. I speak from experience as I am a father of 2. If my daughter asks for Attacktix because she wants Darth Vader and all she keeps opening up are Padme's and Bail Organas, then guess what? She gets bored of trying and I get bored of spending. Let's wake up and face reality that clear boosters spell fortune for Attacktix.
BTW- Galactic Heroes were off the market for about 2 years. They've been running now for around 4 years straight since. And don't give me the garbage about them not being comparable. They are a toy driven by a children's market just like our beloved toys.
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Jul 16, 2008 15:16:15 GMT -5
Post by superflytnt on Jul 16, 2008 15:16:15 GMT -5
OK - I am currently looking into distributorship for Hasbro. What this entails is putting up a stocking order (which may be 5000$). This will get us a 100% discount (so in essence, we get 10000$ of Tix for 5000$) This ensures that we have the product. The problem is that if the boosters are COGS (Cost of goods sold) 4$ a pop with a resale of 8$, we are getting more than 1000 boosters. WTF are we going to do with 1000+ boosters???
The other angle is the blackmarketeers. We could contact an Ebayer of Prototypes from Hong Kong and discuss the option of him making us 50 full sets or so, and providing a quote. We can easily determine if they can, or will. We can also see about buying the MOLDS instead, and making them domestically - the molds are the key.
So, let me know who wants in, and what kind of investment. I know I can go in for the whole shebang and ebay them to you suckers for retail, but that's not how I roll, so anyone wants in, I'll get it going.
RADAR - Just flat out ask him how it is that if the line is dead (don't even let him spout the the Hiatus crap) then how is it that someone had some at a local event, and furthermore how it is that the Hong Kong folks are selling prototypes. Then ask him if any were ever produced and if a distributor could place an order for them. Finally, ask him why there have been no press releases on the line, and why he has lied to his fans by telling us that the line is on hiatus when they clearly have no plans to launch SHI8.
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Jul 16, 2008 15:34:43 GMT -5
Post by greyelephant on Jul 16, 2008 15:34:43 GMT -5
Posted by superflytnt on Today at 4:16pm OK - I am currently looking into distributorship for Hasbro. What this entails is putting up a stocking order (which may be 5000$). This will get us a 100% discount (so in essence, we get 10000$ of Tix for 5000$) This ensures that we have the product. The problem is that if the boosters are COGS (Cost of goods sold) 4$ a pop with a resale of 8$, we are getting more than 1000 boosters. WTF are we going to do with 1000+ boosters??? |
That is if 1000+ boosters even exist. I know exactly what I would do with them. I would keep some for myself and sell the rest and double my expense. The other angle is the blackmarketeers. We could contact an Ebayer of Prototypes from Hong Kong and discuss the option of him making us 50 full sets or so, and providing a quote. We can easily determine if they can, or will. We can also see about buying the MOLDS instead, and making them domestically - the molds are the key. |
If we got the molds, its then just a matter of making the Tix bases as well. We would also need all the springs and striking mechs. That leads to other pursuits doesn't it? Not sure how to get all the parts we need on a large enough scale. I do like what you are thinking though. So, let me know who wants in, and what kind of investment. I know I can go in for the whole shebang and ebay them to you suckers for retail, but that's not how I roll, so anyone wants in, I'll get it going. |
I'll let you kown after I think about it. RADAR - Just flat out ask him how it is that if the line is dead (don't even let him spout the the Hiatus crap) then how is it that someone had some at a local event, and furthermore how it is that the Hong Kong folks are selling prototypes. Then ask him if any were ever produced and if a distributor could place an order for them. Finally, ask him why there have been no press releases on the line, and why he has lied to his fans by telling us that the line is on hiatus when they clearly have no plans to launch SHI8. |
Agreed. I want something a bit more concrete. This hiatus and a possible relaunch stuff is bologna anymore. Give us the real deal on what's going on and stop making us feel like red headed step children. ;D I wish to know if there is actually product available right now that is waiting for a green light before it goes wherever the heck it's supposed to go? If so, I wish to buy around 30 cases of that stock immediatly.
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Jul 16, 2008 16:05:59 GMT -5
Post by attacktixman on Jul 16, 2008 16:05:59 GMT -5
OK - I am currently looking into distributorship for Hasbro. What this entails is putting up a stocking order (which may be 5000$). I'm in, but i think the stocking order will be more than $5000 The other angle is the blackmarketeers. We could contact an Ebayer of Prototypes from Hong Kong... Be very, very careful of this, my experience is proving very negative.So, let me know who wants in, and what kind of investment. I'm in, have to determine investment level and good to know how many investorsRADAR - Just flat out ask him how it is that if the line is dead Ya.
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Jul 16, 2008 19:46:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 19:46:09 GMT -5
How many signed the save Attacktix petition? Thousands and thousands would be needed for the 'bro to even blink. And whatever other market analysis they would do. As of this moment, 226... BTW- Galactic Heroes were off the market for about 2 years. They've been running now for around 4 years straight since. And don't give me the garbage about them not being comparable. They are a toy driven by a children's market just like our beloved toys. They are absolutely not comparable. They have plastic and franchise names in common, but aside from that they're vastly different. They're a game that moonlights as a toy, so it will sell and has sold like a game, not an action figure. Driven by a children's market? That may be the target audience, but look around and tell me who drove this line. Sure, kids picked them up every once in a while when curiosity hit, but you can't deny how much cash WE, the adult consumers, have spent on these. A random child buying one or two packs, or people like me that emptied toy shelves on shopping trips? I know that I'm not alone. RADAR - Just flat out ask him how it is that if the line is dead (don't even let him spout the the Hiatus crap) then how is it that someone had some at a local event, and furthermore how it is that the Hong Kong folks are selling prototypes. Then ask him if any were ever produced and if a distributor could place an order for them. Finally, ask him why there have been no press releases on the line, and why he has lied to his fans by telling us that the line is on hiatus when they clearly have no plans to launch SHI8. I agree, be brutal with him this time.
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Jul 16, 2008 19:50:35 GMT -5
Post by normirex on Jul 16, 2008 19:50:35 GMT -5
So you all are going in to buy whatever stock is left of Tix right? Sorry I'm a bit confused. But if I can get some at a discount I'm in. Not sure exactly how much I could throw in but I wouldn't mind helping out.
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