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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2007 13:21:22 GMT -5
Since Ransack's Special Power states:
"Stand up Ransack if you have Crumplezone in play"
does this mean his SP will be useless if you pair him with the soon-to-be-released Dark Crumplezone?
Is this something that will have to be decided through house rules?
I know most of you think Crumplezone is worthless, but I still like using those 2 together every now and then. Just curious to see everyone else's opinion on this subject.
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Post by malform on Apr 19, 2007 13:28:40 GMT -5
Since Ransack's Special Power states: "Stand up Ransack if you have Crumplezone in play" does this mean his SP will be useless if you pair him with the soon-to-be-released Dark Crumplezone? Is this something that will have to be decided through house rules? I know most of you think Crumplezone is worthless, but I still like using those 2 together every now and then. Just curious to see everyone else's opinion on this subject. Im about 99% sure that crumplezone and dark crumplezone will be interchangeable in situations such as this. Just as it was ruled by hasbro that "han solo" could reffer to any incarnation of "han solo", "han solo as stormtrooper" or "han solo on hoth", or whatever other han they come up with. |
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Post by superflytnt on Apr 19, 2007 13:30:41 GMT -5
Yet again, we agree.
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Post by Jw18 on Apr 19, 2007 13:44:09 GMT -5
i agree
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Post by Yaggleberry Finn on Apr 19, 2007 14:08:35 GMT -5
Well, I agree with you guys, but the "Ask the Expert" does not. And it's in response to Malform's question on there:
So to me it won't work with Dark Crumplezone. Just like the TF1 Super Optimus Prime Truck can't Transform into the new G1 "Optimus Prime" but the TF1 Megatron Jet can transform into the new G1 "Megatron".
It does seem like we got a different response at some point, but I don't remember where that was. And if that were the case then you could chuck what I just wrote.
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Post by ionicdesign on Apr 19, 2007 14:13:46 GMT -5
Interesting, I would play it with house rules that they were interchangable (either could be used). Things like that make the games specials more accessible and unless dark crumplezone has a notably bigger fin (which it doesn't appear he does) it wouldn't make too much a difference in gameplay.
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Post by greyelephant on Apr 19, 2007 14:32:16 GMT -5
Noticably bigger what?  I would say that they are interchangable. You are not using him for a Rally cause, only Recover. For instance. If I had Chewie in play with ST Han and Chewie gets knocked over, I would be able to stand Chewie back up right? |
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Post by malform on Apr 19, 2007 14:33:14 GMT -5
Well, I agree with you guys, but the "Ask the Expert" does not. And it's in response to Malform's question on there: So to me it won't work with Dark Crumplezone. Just like the TF1 Super Optimus Prime Truck can't Transform into the new G1 "Optimus Prime" but the TF1 Megatron Jet can transform into the new G1 "Megatron". It does seem like we got a different response at some point, but I don't remember where that was. And if that were the case then you could chuck what I just wrote. Oh snap!  I was going by memory and thought they had said the stormtrooper han could switch out with regular han.... So much for memory!  |
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Post by InvaderJes on Apr 19, 2007 15:08:21 GMT -5
I would have hoped Dark and Regular Crump would interchange... it's not like he's an especially powerful figure. Neither is Ransack. Mine falls over if you look at him sternly enough.
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Post by Cona Chris on Apr 19, 2007 21:26:45 GMT -5
Hhhm, that's a tough one. Technically I would say no (for tournament play) since the name is different. For instance. If I had Chewie in play with ST Han and Chewie gets knocked over, I would be able to stand Chewie back up right? According to the Q&A from Hasbro, the answer would be no unfortunately. I'll second Yaggleberry Finn's memory as to Hasbro saying Han as ST was the same as Han Solo once upon a time... but the most recent note seems to indicate we have to go by exact name, so Han as ST does not equal Han Solo would be my take. |
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Post by Megazarak on Apr 19, 2007 22:03:50 GMT -5
Hhhm, that's a tough one. Technically I would say no (for tournament play) since the name is different. For instance. If I had Chewie in play with ST Han and Chewie gets knocked over, I would be able to stand Chewie back up right? According to the Q&A from Hasbro, the answer would be no unfortunately. I'll second Yaggleberry Finn's memory as to Hasbro saying Han as ST was the same as Han Solo once upon a time... but the most recent note seems to indicate we have to go by exact name, so Han as ST does not equal Han Solo would be my take. Well, I hope your wrong because it's fun to play with a RanCrump team. Also it would also be too bad because in the show, when he became Dark Crump, he still had his Crump feelings and was still Ransack's big buddy. |
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Post by YodaBreaker on Apr 19, 2007 23:30:39 GMT -5
Well, I agree with you guys, but the "Ask the Expert" does not. And it's in response to Malform's question on there: So to me it won't work with Dark Crumplezone. Just like the TF1 Super Optimus Prime Truck can't Transform into the new G1 "Optimus Prime" but the TF1 Megatron Jet can transform into the new G1 "Megatron". It does seem like we got a different response at some point, but I don't remember where that was. And if that were the case then you could chuck what I just wrote. The "different response" is in our FAQ. O consistency, where art thou? |
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Post by superflytnt on Apr 20, 2007 7:59:12 GMT -5
I think it comes down to 'entity'. In the comics/cartoons/universe, if Crumplezone is a completely different being than Dark Crumplezone, then I would think that he shouldn't be actiated. Why the heck does Hasbro keep making repaints with slightly different names, then have to backpedal and make new stupid rules to cover their mistakes....
Like the previous arguers of "Han Solo" debated, just because he's wearing a Stormtrooper suit, does that REALLY make him any less "Han Solo"? That's lame. Either the guy IS Han or ISN'T Han, simple as that. I suspect that Crumplezone and Dark Crumplezone will end up being the same.
The more figures and powers that come out, the less I am liking the game. Eventually will they publish the "Attacktix Master Set Rules, 1st Edition" because of the massive amounts of little nuisances we have to overcome?
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Post by greyelephant on Apr 20, 2007 8:18:56 GMT -5
Posted by superflytnt on Today at 8:59am
The more figures and powers that come out, the less I am liking the game. Eventually will they publish the "Attacktix Master Set Rules, 1st Edition" because of the massive amounts of little nuisances we have to overcome? |
Yes, but it will double as a battle case and come with a Clone Sgt. I have to agree with Superfly's comments. Either he is Crumpy or he isn't. For instance; lets say you have a Wookie (I think it is the captain) where you can put a wookie into play from your back-ups. Well, wookie doesn't mean you can put a Rebel Chewbacca even though he is a wookie, right? That's because he isn't classified as a wookie, he is a rebel. My point is this. Even though Chewie is a wookie, if it's not on his base (class) then he isn't "technically" a wookie. However, if you have a name, such as Han or Crumpy on the base, why can't you use it? I understand classification, however, I can't understand if someones name, either whole or part is on the base, why isn't it legal to use him accordingly? I guess I should have put this in the rant section.  |
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Post by Cona Chris on Apr 20, 2007 9:57:30 GMT -5
While CZ and Dark CZ are the same, so are the Emperor, Palpatine, and Darth Sidious.
If a figure said "Put Darth Sidious into play from your backups", I would think that would mean just the figure that was actually Darth Sidious, and not any other form of him. Using this logic, I would think Dark CZ wouldn't count for Ransack's SP.
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