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Post by thecasualoblivion on Sept 21, 2006 15:49:30 GMT -5
I'm attending Botcon, and staying for the entire show. So, of course I'm planning on entering both tournaments while I'm there. I'm looking for any sort of advice on what sort of team to field at this tournament. I know some of you guys will be there, so feel free to be silent if that is the case, but if anyone else has opinions, share them here.
First off I have a large TF attacktix collection:
4x Omnicon
6x Minicon
6x Decepticlone
1x White Decepticlone
5x Battle Ravage
3x Rodimus
1x Insecticon(I know, its strange)
1x Scourge
2x Starscream
1x Super Optimus Prime
1x Super Optimus Prime Truck
7 Freaking Excellions
2x Vector Prime
1x Landmine
1x Hot Shot
2x Megatron
1x Megatron Jet
1x Ransack
3x Transformers starter set(Overhaul, Dirtboss, and Skyblast Jet and Robot)
1x Mega set(Omega Supreme and Crumplezone)
1x Gold set(Optimus and Megatron and Omega Sentinel)
I only lack Scorponok and a pack of Insecticons, both of which I'm likely to pick up at the convention. Therefore, I can field any team.
First off, I'm not really sure if these tournaments are Transformers only, Transformers required but you can use some Star Wars, or anything goes. Anything goes doesn't matter because I don't have enough Star Wars to not use Transformers, so its between the other two. Since this is a Hasbro Tournament, I'm 99% sure it'll be 100pts.
First off, Transformers only teams I'm considering:
1. Decepticon Formation--advance these four in a block for 8 tix(the speed of Megatron)
1x Megatron Jet
1x Scorponok
2x Battle Ravage
backups
Gold Megatron(Robot)
Insecticon
2. Twin Overhaul--take advantage of the best figure in Transformers
2x Overhaul
4x Either Mini-Cons or Omnicons
3. Overhaul/Optimus Prime
1x Overhaul
1x Super Optimus Prime Truck
4x Mini-Con/Omnicons
Backups
Gold Super Optimus Prime
4. Landmine team--advance slowly behind Landmine and Super Optimus Prime(could use the truck and an extra Mini-Con)
1x Gold Optimus Prime
1x Landmine
3x Mini-Con
If Star Wars are allowed, I have a few figures I could use. These include:
S2 Starter Obi-Wan(and I have two of these)
S1 Yoda
S4 Vader
S4 Starter Han Solo
S4 Starter Greedo(I may buy four of these before I leave)
Jedi Knight(I have two, and that's probably all I'll have)
I could imagine using these teams:
2x Starter Obi Wan
4x Omnicon
or
4x Battle Ravage
2x S4 Greedo
or
3x Battle Ravage
4x S4 Greedo
or
Use Obi Wan/Yoda/Vader with some other stuff.
Any thoughts guys?
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Post by optimus103 on Sept 21, 2006 21:13:50 GMT -5
When I use an all Decepticon team I like
Dirtboss x2(lets you put ANY Decepticon into play from backups)
Starscream
Decepticlone
backups
either Megatron or a few Battle Ravages
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Post by Yaggleberry Finn on Sept 21, 2006 23:36:17 GMT -5
Whether or not SW are allowed would certainly make a big difference. If they're not, then I would have to go with Decepticons so I get some Strikers in there. And in that regard, I really like the first team you mentioned. Megatron (Jet) is solid, Scorponok is so powerful maybe he should be illegal, and Battle Ravage has an excellent strike.
If you can use SW, then I'd throw S4 Vader in there. I'm a big fan of S2 Starter Kenobi, but given the power of TF Launchers, I think he'd get picked off fairly easily. As far as who to team him with, I can't decide at this point. I guess you just have to approach that as making the best 60 point TF team possible. In that case I would go with Megatron (Jet) and three Decepticlones so I know I have some other figures to keep Vader around and also support Gold Megatron.
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Post by Radar on Sept 22, 2006 1:03:36 GMT -5
My general philosophy is to put as many figures on the table as possible. I play with almost all 10 point figures and I dream of a day when we will have 5 point figures (in fact I should go buy some gallon zip-lock bags to put teams of 20 figures in). There are only 2 ten point figures I enjoy, Gold Ki-Adi Mundi and Grand Moff Tarkin. 30 pointers? Optimus prime truck mode with a Gold Optimus Prime in back-up....maybe.
You will win the game by having the last figure standing. I like to increase my odds, by putting in a lot of low point figures and making sure I've practiced enough to blow my opponents off the table with any of them.
My suggestion for what you got, Starter Greeto, 2x Jedi Knight, 4x mini-cons, 2x omni-cons, insecticon. Or something to that nature.
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Sept 22, 2006 9:21:49 GMT -5
My general philosophy is to put as many figures on the table as possible. I play with almost all 10 point figures and I dream of a day when we will have 5 point figures (in fact I should go buy some gallon zip-lock bags to put teams of 20 figures in). There are only 2 ten point figures I enjoy, Gold Ki-Adi Mundi and Grand Moff Tarkin. 30 pointers? Optimus prime truck mode with a Gold Optimus Prime in back-up....maybe. You will win the game by having the last figure standing. I like to increase my odds, by putting in a lot of low point figures and making sure I've practiced enough to blow my opponents off the table with any of them. My suggestion for what you got, Starter Greeto, 2x Jedi Knight, 4x mini-cons, 2x omni-cons, insecticon. Or something to that nature. The only knock on this is that Transformers does not have really any stand out 10pt figures, and particularly does not have a 10pt figure that can kill Super Optimus Prime. Greedo and the Jedi Knight can kill Super Optimus Prime, but I have never seen or heard of Super Optimus Prime falling to a small missile(aside from behind, and even that is sketchy). Its kind of weak in the 20pt figure range as well, as Skyblast(Jet), Battle Ravage and Rodimus are all good figures, but nowhere near as powerful as the best Star Wars figures for 20pts. The best team I could see in maximizing figures would be 2-3 Battle Ravage and 4-6 Decepticlones. Aside from that, the big Transformers are just too hard to take down. Whether or not SW are allowed would certainly make a big difference. If they're not, then I would have to go with Decepticons so I get some Strikers in there. And in that regard, I really like the first team you mentioned. Megatron (Jet) is solid, Scorponok is so powerful maybe he should be illegal, and Battle Ravage has an excellent strike. If you can use SW, then I'd throw S4 Vader in there. I'm a big fan of S2 Starter Kenobi, but given the power of TF Launchers, I think he'd get picked off fairly easily. As far as who to team him with, I can't decide at this point. I guess you just have to approach that as making the best 60 point TF team possible. In that case I would go with Megatron (Jet) and three Decepticlones so I know I have some other figures to keep Vader around and also support Gold Megatron. The only thing that scares me about the Decepticon team is that its only four figures. I'd like to use a team with three Battle Ravages, but I'm not really happy on any combination of 40pts to support them. I have noticed that Obi-Wan does tend to get killed fairly easily, much more than Darth Vader. If all that is required is to have some Transformers in your team, I might go with: S4 Darth Vader Super Optimus Prime Truck(I prefer Super Optimus to Megatron) 3x S4 Greedo Backups Gold Super Optimus Prime I also like the combination of S4 Greedo and Battle Ravage. |
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Post by YodaBreaker on Sept 22, 2006 21:46:13 GMT -5
If we're not allowed to use SW, I'm so totally screwed.
Anyway, I agree that the SW has the edge in the "safety in numbers" game. I've been thinking long and hard about the team that I want to field. Ultimately, I'm not sure I'll know until the moment I have to pick them out of the bags!
However, I still like the teams with as many figures as possible. For sheer striking power, 5 Battle Ravages would seem to be the way to go, though replacing a Battle Ravage with a couple of Decepticlones might give the team the firepower necessary to make your opponent respect the need for formations.
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Sept 22, 2006 22:45:30 GMT -5
There's a small problem with using Battle Ravage for Star Wars style striking. I've noticed Battle Ravage being really bad at getting multiple kills. I use Battle Ravage a lot, and the striking ball tends to rise during the swing and hit the target figure high, knocking it over and NOT knocking it backward. You can kill multiple figures in formation easily, but you can't knock figures into other figures.
The only Transformer that could get multiple kills knocking things into each other would be Scourge, and with the small base he's just not economical for being too easy to kill for 20pts.
Despite all of this, Battle Ravage would be the required figure for trying to put as many figures on the table as possible. Do you use three or four, as three gives you more options and four makes a much more solid formation? Of 10pt and 20pt Transformers, only Battle Ravage, Scourge and Ransack can kill Super Optimus Prime, and Battle Ravage alone among those three is worth using. Super Optimus Prime will be seen at the tournament, and if you can't kill it, you stand no chance.
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Sept 23, 2006 19:09:29 GMT -5
sorry for the double post, but the announcement of the tournament rules totally changes this. The main rules to consider are:
1. 100pt team of figures provided by Botcon. That means no using my own stuff. Since I am a Transformers collector who does not play Attacktix without using Transformers, this doesn't change a lot for me, with the exception of the fact that I probably can now use a lot of Star Wars figures I do not have.
2. No backups. This means no Transforming Super Optimus Prime and Megatron.
I'm also curious what figures they will provide. I wouldn't be that surprised if they didn't have the older figures available, as in no series I and II. The example given in the tournament rules mentions the old figures, but I still wouldn't be surprised if they weren't there. I'd probably expect to see series III, since a lot of stores still carry it, and Hasbro probably has a bit of it on hand. So we're looking at Series IV and Transformers, with the likely inclusion of Series III and an outside shot of seeing series I and II.
I've been playing some games preparing for this, and assuming that I'm using Transformers, I'm having a hard time arguing with using a combination of Battle Ravage and S4 Greedo, probably 4 Battle Ravage and two Greedos, though maybe 3 BR and 4 Greedos. I'm looking at figures for Series III and IV and Transformers, and Battle Ravage is the best 20pt striker available. The alternative would be using Excellion plus four Wickets, and Series IV starter Han Solo
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screw those teams. I'm liking the combination of four Greedos, two Battle Ravages and two Wickets. Thats my team with Transformers in it. Two Battle Ravages and Two Wickets is a much better formation than three BR, and almost equal to four BR. Having four Greedos for firepower seals the deal. That is, if I'm able to field this team...
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Post by profanicon on Sept 24, 2006 17:19:24 GMT -5
Whoa, no backups? That sucks. I'm still thinking about entering. Unfortunately, I don't think I will, because I don't know enough about where to strike (or how to use) the Star Wars figures.
Regardless, I will be at Botcon!
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Sept 24, 2006 19:42:30 GMT -5
Whoa, no backups? That sucks. I'm still thinking about entering. Unfortunately, I don't think I will, because I don't know enough about where to strike (or how to use) the Star Wars figures. Regardless, I will be at Botcon! You should still play. I have a feeling the only Star Wars that are going to be provided are series III and IV. If that is the case, you should do fine with just Transformers. Even still, I'd expect this tournament to be at least two-thirds people even less experienced than you. |
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Post by optimus103 on Sept 24, 2006 21:52:41 GMT -5
well I cant wait to here to details of the actual tournament. If they are supplying the figures though, I wouldnt be too high on getting duplicates of anything.
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Post by safarisuz on Sept 25, 2006 0:26:22 GMT -5
Of 10pt and 20pt Transformers, only Battle Ravage, Scourge and Ransack can kill Super Optimus Prime, and Battle Ravage alone among those three is worth using. Super Optimus Prime will be seen at the tournament, and if you can't kill it, you stand no chance. |sf>You're forgetting about shooting him in the back. You don't need a striker to kill Optimus Prime if you can hit a shot in the sweet spot on his back. That's the benefit of knowing and owning the figures; you can help to figure out the weak points for offensive and defensive purposes. |
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Post by safarisuz on Sept 25, 2006 0:28:41 GMT -5
Whoa, no backups? That sucks. I'm still thinking about entering. Unfortunately, I don't think I will, because I don't know enough about where to strike (or how to use) the Star Wars figures. Regardless, I will be at Botcon! |sf>If you're there for Friday, that will be game night. That will give you a chance to make some new friends who might be willing to give you a chance to get the feel for what Star Wars figures play like and give you some practice in some games. |
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Sept 25, 2006 16:27:28 GMT -5
Of 10pt and 20pt Transformers, only Battle Ravage, Scourge and Ransack can kill Super Optimus Prime, and Battle Ravage alone among those three is worth using. Super Optimus Prime will be seen at the tournament, and if you can't kill it, you stand no chance. |sf>You're forgetting about shooting him in the back. You don't need a striker to kill Optimus Prime if you can hit a shot in the sweet spot on his back. That's the benefit of knowing and owning the figures; you can help to figure out the weak points for offensive and defensive purposes. If you know how to shoot and/or have and are using strikers, getting behind Super Optimus Prime should be a fairly rare event. Super Optimus Prime plus sixty points worth of figures would take a heavy toll on ten 10pt troopers. |
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Post by YodaBreaker on Sept 25, 2006 21:48:00 GMT -5
Whoa, no backups? That sucks. I'm still thinking about entering. Unfortunately, I don't think I will, because I don't know enough about where to strike (or how to use) the Star Wars figures. Regardless, I will be at Botcon! I hope we see you there; as everyone else is saying, at least you've had practice. I'd guess that at least a third of the people at the tournament will have had no practice whatsoever. Basics on Star Wars figures: 1) Base shots are your friend. They're not as stable as TF figures, so shoot for the base, and you'll have a higher probability of scoring a knockdown. After that, the head, then the chest are worthy targets. 2) The tutorials I have linked to in my sig all use SW figures; if you want to get familiarized with them, just take a quick breeze through the tutorials, and you'll probably be in good shape  |
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