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Post by thecasualoblivion on Aug 11, 2006 7:56:13 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with Star Wars Attacktix, but how does the Energy Blasts on figures like Megatron, Excellion and Overhaul compare with the Grievous missle? I've been told by the Star Wars board that the Energy blasts have a longer range and are more useful than the force blasts, does this make them more like the Grievous missle?
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Post by malform on Aug 14, 2006 8:26:55 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with Star Wars Attacktix, but how does the Energy Blasts on figures like Megatron, Excellion and Overhaul compare with the Grievous missile? I've been told by the Star Wars board that the Energy blasts have a longer range and are more useful than the force blasts, does this make them more like the Grievous missile? I thought this was an interesting question when I read it last week... But at that time I hadnt gotten in enough playing time with my transformers to give a good opinion. I consider megatrons projectile to be a different caliber than the ones from Exellion and overhaul. And really, I would consider vector primes missile to be different than the rest also. So, with the series 1 of transformers you have the following projectile types: 1. small missile (clasic small round projectile) 2. medium missile (also a classic, used to be considered the "large" missile) 3. Small Energy Blast (megatron) 4. Medium Energy Blast (vectopr prime) 5. Large Energy Blast (hot shot, excellion, overhaul) 6. Heavy Energy Blast (Super Optimus Prime) Now the small and medium missiles are just the same good or bad (depending on your point of view), as the old time tested star wars counterparts. So really, theres nothing to say about them. The small energy blast we see with megatron, I think is the weakest of the new energy blast rounds. It it definitely the lightest energy blast, but the thing I think kills it the most is the rather extreme Angle the disc is tilted to. I think it allows it to deflect transferring most of its momentum along with it, rather than just knocking it over. The small energy blast does fly farther than a SW force blast, but lacks the punch. Comparing it to the grievous heavy missile, is a waste of time, totally different ball fields. And the medium and large energy blast are pretty much the same, despite the different looks and slight weight differences. These are in my opinion, the BEST projectiles in the transformers universe at this time. They get a good distance, and they pack a heck of a wallop. I think this is a much better chose over a force blast, because of the better range. Comparing to a grievous missile, they will give you very similar results, although, I really think grievous still gets better range. The heavy energy blast is really a close range weapon. It doesnt get very good distance, but carries allot of momentum with it. If you hit a target with super optimus primes heavy energy blast, your probably going to kill it... You just have to wait until its in range. Very comparable to a SW force blast, mostly because of the range problem. Not at all comparable to grievous.
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Post by superflytnt on Aug 14, 2006 9:00:51 GMT -5
Grievous S1 and S2 are hands-down the best shooting figs ever produced. They have the right spring strength, weight, mass, and shape to be deadly effective.
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Post by malform on Aug 14, 2006 9:10:19 GMT -5
Grievous S1 and S2 are hands-down the best shooting figs ever produced. They have the right spring strength, weight, mass, and shape to be deadly effective. You know, I really think the shape is the main contributing factor to the strength of the grievous missile. There are other projectiles with a very similar weight (like the medium energy blast), that just dont perform 100% up to par with grievous. I think its all in the aerodynamics or something.... We need to put these things in a wind tunnel. Im going to grab all the different types at lunch and weigh them on our mail scale thing here at work. ;D
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Post by malform on Aug 14, 2006 11:52:17 GMT -5
Well shucks!
It appears that the mail scale we have here at work isnt accurate enough to weigh the missiles. All the smaller rounds like the small, medium and boba missiles dont register. The chirpa rock, 3 smaller energy blasts, grievous missile and force blasts read as 5 grams. And the super optimus missile and the hammerhead net weigh in at 10 grams.
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Post by Joe Manzo on Aug 14, 2006 13:04:16 GMT -5
The heavy energy blast is really a close range weapon. It doesnt get very good distance, but carries allot of momentum with it. If you hit a target with super optimus primes heavy energy blast, your probably going to kill it... You just have to wait until its in range. Very comparable to a SW force blast, mostly because of the range problem. Not at all comparable to grievous. If you take your time to master Optimus Prime's weapon with an arc, you can take out any 10 pointer from 30 inches away... I know because it happened to me all weekend long. (We start in a single row, no starting formations)
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Post by sfx5000 on Aug 14, 2006 13:22:11 GMT -5
I saw the large Megatron Transformer figure in a display case recently at Toys R' Us and noticed something interesting. It looks like the 'energy blast' that the Megatron Attacktix shoots isn't an energy blast at all but the tip/end of his gun. Large toy showed me that his weapon has that large, wheel like, four barrel end to it and I don't believe it detaches/fires from his gun as it is part of his gun.
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Post by Joe Manzo on Aug 14, 2006 13:27:42 GMT -5
I saw the large Megatron Transformer figure in a display case recently at Toys R' Us and noticed something interesting. It looks like the 'energy blast' that the Megatron Attacktix shoots isn't an energy blast at all but the tip/end of his gun. Large toy showed me that his weapon has that large, wheel like, four barrel end to it and I don't believe it detaches/fires from his gun as it is part of his gun. Interesting... I made those names up... so I have no doubt they could be wrong. If you have any pics let me know. Kinda weird though, but I can go with it
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Post by malform on Aug 14, 2006 14:29:38 GMT -5
If you take your time to master Optimus Prime's weapon with an arc, you can take out any 10 pointer from 30 inches away... I know because it happened to me all weekend long. (We start in a single row, no starting formations) Like lobing mortars... Nice. ;D
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Post by sfx5000 on Aug 14, 2006 15:56:02 GMT -5
Interesting... I made those names up... so I have no doubt they could be wrong. If you have any pics let me know. Kinda weird though, but I can go with it And I wouldn't say you are wrong in the naming. "Energy Blast" sounds (perfect) a lot better than "Flying Detached Gun Muzzle/Vehicle Mode Wheel"!
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Post by superflytnt on Aug 15, 2006 23:13:02 GMT -5
Grievous S1 and S2 are hands-down the best shooting figs ever produced. They have the right spring strength, weight, mass, and shape to be deadly effective. You know, I really think the shape is the main contributing factor to the strength of the grievous missile. There are other projectiles with a very similar weight (like the medium energy blast), that just dont perform 100% up to par with grievous. I think its all in the aerodynamics or something.... We need to put these things in a wind tunnel. Im going to grab all the different types at lunch and weigh them on our mail scale thing here at work. ;D I've got (ahem) another kind of scale that's accurate to very small amounts....ya know...for reloading ammo...that's it.... I'll do some Tests on Thursday when I'm back from Yeeeee-hah country. As for the shape, I wholeheartedly agree. The circular shaped weapons tend to roll when aimed at the feet of opponents from a range, where when the Greev-Cannon is "X"ed instead of "+"ed you can aim right at the feet, where the base meets the mat, and it kills everyone, every time. Nice to have it follow it's trajectory!
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Aug 16, 2006 8:13:46 GMT -5
I disagree with one of the previous posters on Megatron's energy bolt. I haven't had any problems with it, and its pretty much been on par with the energy bolt of Overhaul and Excellion.
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Post by haldu2 on Aug 22, 2006 23:01:34 GMT -5
The problem is nobody can hold a candle to the cannon of death for thirty points, can't be done.
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Post by thecasualoblivion on Aug 24, 2006 23:46:10 GMT -5
I just got a Grievous to compare to the Transformers I've been using.
Overhaul/Excellion's energy blast is close to Grievous in terms of effectiveness. Its close, but I have to give it to Grievous. The missile is just better at long range, though the Transformers tend to be better with a glancing hit.
One thing I have noticed as a difference between Excellion/Overhaul and Grievous is in terms of defense. Excellion and Overhaul are both difficult to shoot down. Both are heavy and well balanced. Excellion can put his gun arm in front to deflect hits when its pointed down, making missile kills very difficult. Overhaul is short and stocky, heavy, and particularly when loaded absorbs hits very well.
Grievous on the other hand, seems to fall whenever its hit. It has very thin arms, legs and body, and yet the gun is heavy. This figure doesn't absorb as much energy like the heavier Transformers sculpts, and the heavy gun unbalances it, making it prone to tipping over when its wobbling.
I'd almost go as far as to say Overhaul is just as good as Grievous, possibly even a little better. Just because of the defense.
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Post by Draaka on Jan 12, 2008 21:51:41 GMT -5
From my experience it comes down to:
One maybe two almost-instant-kill shots with Grievous before he gets killed
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Lots more shots with a fractionally worse gun but miles better defense. From overhall/excellion.
Gotta be those extra shots for me.
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