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Post by turbomagnus on May 4, 2007 21:10:12 GMT -5
I bought a Republic Gunship earlier today and was playing a game with one of my friends - they were using my Third Army, AT-RTs and Gunship included, and I was using my other customs and my Omega Sentinels.
The way they used the Gunship that I question if it's within the boundaries of the rules is this -
After they had attacked with the Stormtrooper Sniper, they launched the Gunship's missile and when that failed to knock down the figure that they were aiming for, they used the Gunship to pick up the Sniper and drop it on the figure to kill it.
I looked at the instructions for the Gunship, it just says you can't pick up your opponents' figures, but it doesn't say anything about picking up your own figures and using them as 'bombs'...
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Post by InvaderJes on May 5, 2007 2:34:38 GMT -5
I haven't seen the instructions... but I'd say that's a little bit unsporting. But, since you can attack your own figures I suppose it wouldn't be illegal. Is there a copy of the Gunship rules online somewhere? I have a ship but no rules, and can't seem to find any.
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Post by Cona Chris on May 5, 2007 7:18:47 GMT -5
I'd say that's illegal. The pick-up portion of the Gunship's turn is meant to be for transport only... this gives you two attacks with it per turn, which doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by superflytnt on May 5, 2007 10:02:45 GMT -5
I would agree AND disagree - I think if you bomb an enemy with a transported figure it's kosher, but that will invariably lead to people using the transported figure as a battering ram/striker and smacking enemies while still attached.
So, in short - transporting figs AND shooting the ship is OK, transport/bombing figs AND shooting is OK, but no batting enemies.
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Post by YodaBreaker on May 5, 2007 11:38:03 GMT -5
I haven't seen the instructions... but I'd say that's a little bit unsporting. But, since you can attack your own figures I suppose it wouldn't be illegal. Is there a copy of the Gunship rules online somewhere? I have a ship but no rules, and can't seem to find any. Yep, look for the Attacktix SW Republic Gunship Battle Masters at the bottom of that page. Because this is described as a "transport" action, and because the rules state you can't transport an opponent's figure (suggesting you're not meant to interfere with your opponent's figures during transport), I'd say that using it as a figure-flinging action isn't kosher. Here's more Gunship rules discussion.
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Post by greyelephant on May 6, 2007 7:31:49 GMT -5
I don't like it. Well, actually, I do like it because it's kinda funny.
However, let's just look at what you are using to drop bombs. Gunship........I don't think that it was even equipped with bombs. Missiles, yes, bombs, no. It's supposed to be a transport, not a heavy bomber.
I do like the idea of dropping figures on top of others! Great way to disperse a group of figures that you can't seem to break apart.
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Post by phoenixflood on May 6, 2007 18:02:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's fair to use your figures as bombs and also it's not fair that I DIDN"T THINK OF THAT FIRST! HA HA HA No, I'm just kidding.
I aslo have some questions about the gunship.
I was playing with one of my friends and he turned his gunship around so that I couldn't hit the targets; Is that legal? Can you do this with any of the battle masters? I'd love to turn my own wampa around, attack it myself and let it fall over on my enemies. It could really take out a lot.
I aslo was wondering if you could transport another battle master via gunship. I know it works with the AR-RT, but would you consider this legal?
I also was wondering, if you played with two gunships could you transport a figure in with one, attack the enemy with that figure, and tranport back out to safety with the other gunship?
Tell me what you guys think!
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Post by turbomagnus on May 6, 2007 18:28:08 GMT -5
So the general consensus is no 'paratroops' jumping from a Gunship... I agree, I won't let them do that next time.
PhoenixFlood, to number your questions;
1. Yes, as part of your movement phase, you can't turn them after you attack though - which makes the Gunship a good Mega to do this with since the Gunship seperates from the base to attack and thus the direction you fire its missile can be different than the direction the base faces.
2. Considering Megas aren't tourney-legal, I'd say it's a 'house rule' thing. Personally, I'd say yes since it just says you can transport a figure, it doesn't specify anything about the figure beyond it having to be one of your own.
3. Nope. To do that you'd use three attack actions; Gunship 1, figure, and Gunship 2, according to the rules you only attack with two figures. Now if you want, you can set it up as a house rule that Gunship transports don't count as attack actions, or even more than two attacks can be launched...
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Post by Nick Vader on May 6, 2007 18:32:57 GMT -5
I also was wondering, if you played with two gunships could you transport a figure in with one, attack the enemy with that figure, and tranport back out to safety with the other gunship? I don't think so. Because when you transport it counts as an attack action. So transporting, attackting and transporting back would be like 3 attacks. I might be wrong though.
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Post by phoenixflood on May 6, 2007 18:47:12 GMT -5
Okay. Thanks a lot. I didn't know transport was considered to be an attack. So the whole 2 gunship deal is out. ;D So if moving a figure is considered an attack, is attacking with your same gunship another attack. I mean is moving a figure and then firing your gunships weapon considered two attacks for that one gunship?
My other question is can you transport a figure above an area, hover, shoot the figure, shoot the gunship and the return the figure close to its original postion?
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Post by turbomagnus on May 6, 2007 18:51:53 GMT -5
According to my copy of the rules for the Gunship, the Gunship's attack action can happen one of four ways; 1. Transport a figure. 2. Shoot the Gunship's missile. 3. Transport a figure, then shoot the Gunship's missile. 4. Shoot the Gunship's missile and then transport a figure.
As to hovering a figure... No, probably not allowed.
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Post by InvaderJes on May 6, 2007 21:20:34 GMT -5
To keep things movie accurate, though, maybe it should be legal to drop Padmé as a bomb....
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Post by imvader3 on May 7, 2007 5:53:42 GMT -5
Personally I think that the "bomb" idea is legal,cause its really still transporting your figure,right?And there's still a small chance that the figure can acually stand up from the fall (not likely though),so if it does fail there's still a chance that he can stand back up...I gotta try that sometime,seems fun.
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Post by Cona Chris on May 7, 2007 7:56:33 GMT -5
If the "bomb" is legal, then it would stand to reason that you could just move your gunship around and knock over anyfigure in it's path. This would be rotating Chewbacca (with crossbow) around as a striker and then shooting with him, which is clearly not legal in official play.
Although as always, house rules are final. If you like doing "da bomb" then make it a house rule!
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Post by AWOL on May 7, 2007 10:03:07 GMT -5
With regard to dropping your figures onto enemy figures during transport - I say that to do this as a form of attack is not within the boundaries of the transport action of the gunship. While I do think you can drop your figure on top of enemy figures (if you want your figure to be in the same spot as some of your enemy figures), I would treat all enemy figures that are knocked over in this process as accidental and they must be stood up again. I think you have every right to drop your figures on enemy figures; however, any enemy figures that are toppled would then be stood back up, as transport is not an attack. Thus, any fallen enemy figures are considered accidental ("bumped") and would be allowed to stand back up.
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