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Post by capnfalcon222 on Jul 9, 2006 13:51:07 GMT -5
in return of the jedi, luke uses the force to lift C-3P0 and his chair into the air and let threepio float around a bit to make the ewoks think that threepio was "magic". but, that made me wonder.... would it be possible for a force user to use the force to lift himself into the air and levitate or perhaps even fly? I'm not much of a star wars expert, so I wanted to ask you guys' opinions on the subject.
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Post by Ben Kenobi on Jul 9, 2006 17:00:55 GMT -5
I've been pondering this for a while, myself. In theory, it should work. But in my opinion Luke and Vader flying around like Peter Pan would look silly.
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Post by Joe Manzo on Jul 9, 2006 18:53:10 GMT -5
Question
Why can't a Jedi or Sith levitate themselves using the Force? Specifically, why didn't the Emperor levitate himself back onto the platform after Vader threw him off in ROTJ?
Answer
To some extent, they can. For example, Luke is using some degree of the "levitation" skill to balance himself on one hand while Yoda stands on his foot. (In Empire Strikes Back.)
And chances are, Yoda *got there* by leviation in the first place.
This has been occasionally taken to the extreme, as in EU: The Courtship of Princess Leia (Dave Wolverton), where Luke in a way "levitates" to control his descent in a fall that otherwise would have been disastrous. However, the novels are not considered "canon" by Lucasfilm, so we can probably ignore that as an indiscretion of the author.
In the specific case of the Emperor, I think there are probably two reasons that he cannot rescue himself.
1) he isn't "above" something-- levitation is a "repulsion" . . . it works *between* the ground, the swamp, etc, and Luke or his X-Wing. The Emperor is tossed into a core shaft in a space station . . . there isn't really a "bottom" to repulse against. (Similarly, Luke cannot levitate himself to safety when he falls out of cloud city because there's nothing to push against-- he's above open space.)
2) his Force lightning, having no other target, begins to act on the Emperor himself at the end of the scene, just as Vader is throwing him into the core shaft. It stands to reason that this impairs him somewhat during his fall and makes him less able to do *anything* constructive (levitation or anything else) to save himself.
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Post by Radar on Jul 10, 2006 0:48:56 GMT -5
One would have to assume for a jedi to land a 4 story jump they must be able to control some amount of levitation. But, why is Mace Windu dead then?
Regardless, if you can move a rock away from your body, you should be able to move your body away from the rock, so it would make sense that they can levitate. But, if they did that on film it would get all "Matrixy" and nobody wants that.
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Post by xanatos on Jul 10, 2006 8:08:11 GMT -5
Ok, Mace was electrified, tired from a battle with the strongest sith, and his arm was sliced off, he died because if those things.
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Post by devestator on Jul 15, 2006 17:15:31 GMT -5
Question The Emperor is tossed into a core shaft in a space station . . . there isn't really a "bottom" to repulse against. There had to be SOMETHING for him to levitate against. The Death Star eventually has a bottom, even if it is thousands of feet. |
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Post by redemptionrocks on Jul 16, 2006 19:43:11 GMT -5
Actualy looking from the shaft there that was a shaft to an energy item at the bottom...so he would die prebottom.
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Post by superflytnt on Jul 18, 2006 9:02:10 GMT -5
Ok, I have to get in on this: Darth Sidious in ROTJ, as well as Luke Skywalker in TESB theoretically could have levitated out of the shafts as they were falling down a cylinder. The nature of the cylinder could theoretically provided the levitation's surface, as if you apply magnetism evenly along a cylinder you can shoot a metal object down it at high velocity (rail gun) and I'm guessing levitation is similar in nature. This is evidenced by the fact that Obi Wan jumped up out of the tube off of the little ledge during the Darth Maul battle in TPM.
Also, Force Jump is a form of levitation; look at Yoda's acrobatics in all the new movies. The man-thing is 900 years old, has no physique whatsoever, and walks with a cane; yet he can jump like Jordan and swordfight/spin like Sonic the Hedgehog. This is obviously levitation as he is too old and weak to physically muster that kind of strength.
Theres my 2c
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Post by haldu2 on Jul 19, 2006 9:35:34 GMT -5
Alright first off all, no dising EU joe. Secodly It is dependent on your depth in the force. Mace was in a state of shock, don't get me wrong i'm a big mace fan, but you'd have to be yoda or anakin to muster the force to levitate miles above coroscont after a battle like that. Luke simply didn't have the grasp of the force to levitate while dealing with the shock of what vader had told him. The emporer needed to die so he did. plus he had just wasted all his strength on lightning. Yada does a good levitation when she saves anakin in the books between 1 and 2. and look becomes very proficient in it later*glare at joe*.
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Post by lifestar on Jul 20, 2006 5:01:19 GMT -5
I understand that Yoda can force jump, but that doesn't really seem like levitation. I've yet to see a jedi hover, so I'm going to go with no.
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Post by capnfalcon222 on Jul 20, 2006 15:51:12 GMT -5
so I guess so far the requirements are...
1. complete and total concentration
2. much skill in the force
3. something to push off of
anybody want to add to that?
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Post by haldu2 on Jul 21, 2006 13:49:05 GMT -5
Not quit capn. as I remember their is a time in EU when luke jumps out of a building over an open air market and levitates while controling his lightsaber inside. can anyone confirm this I belive he was fighting the guys who later become Leia's guards at the time?
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Post by AWOL on Jul 21, 2006 16:44:48 GMT -5
Gee wiz fellas, we're talking about science fiction here... George Lucas had to have the Emperor thematically fall to his death. Darth Vader's struggle in ROTJ (watching Luke helpless being attacked by the Emperor) was thematically foreshadowed in the prequel Revenge of the Sith (ironic that the last episode foreshadowed the third!).. Anakin struggled when he was watching Sidious being attacked by Mace, and both the Emperor and Mace fall to their death. It's thematically a circle. Darth Vader comes full circle. Just as he sent Mace falling to his death when he turns evil, so too does the Emperor when he turns good again... George Lucas's movie is a lot about thematics.. The Emperor thematically had to fall to his death, just like Mace..
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Post by redemptionrocks on Jul 21, 2006 17:00:51 GMT -5
"The emporer needed to die so he did"
"Why did you hire jango to kill the sentator?" - Obi
"For the sake of the plot stupid! Now lets fight!" - dooku. - stick wars 2
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Post by haldu2 on Jul 21, 2006 23:22:41 GMT -5
Quick note, after some thought it apears that force levitation requires somthing to push from while a force jump requires a hold on yourself. ie. when obi jumps out of the pit while fighting maul and pulls the saber to his hand. Even as a padawan he was able to do this and still control the saber and the on switch. I think that is worth mentioning.
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